15MB Rust Written Private Hostable IM Social Chat App

[suhan1996]

Doc: https://doc.voce.chat
Website: https://voce.chat
Mobile App: https://apps.apple.com/app/vocechat/id1631779678
Docker image: https://hub.docker.com/r/privoce/vocechat-server/tags

We recently started our beta testing of VoceChat, the 15MB sized server is of great performance and resource efficient. Please try it if you want to have a private social media or a private hosted Zendesk like customer service chat.

Feel free to book a 25min chat with me here: https://calendly.com/hansu/han-meeting
Or send me a message on our chat: https://voce.chat

I hope Cloudron will soon support VoeChat.

[fbartels]

Hi @suhan1996,

there are a few confusing bits on your homepage (where it talks about being 10mb as opposed to the stated 15mb here btw). The homepage on a quick first glance did not notice your monetisation strategy. While it talks about a free trial, i could not find other pricing information.

On https://doc.voce.chat/ in the "project composition" table it says that the servers open source status is to be declared, but the comparison table below says the server is open source. Yet i could not find immediate links to source code.

[subven]

There is a thread on /r/selfhosted from 4 months ago about Voce Chat.

So right off the bat, the licensing of the project is confusing. I'm seeing "open source" but also "open core" and also "start free trial" nonsense; combo that with your question in this thread and personally this feels a lot like a project that's trying as hard as possible to get the free publicity of being open source without actually being open source — currently literally not open source, since as another commenter mentioned, the place the source is supposed to be at is just not there!

Next up, your comparisons chart is bananas. Signal and Telegram being "maybe open source sort of" I could almost see an argument for, but Discord? Literally no part of Discord is open source.

Moving to the docs,

The core members include 'MIT' alumni, 'Stanford' entrepreneurial organization members, top Rust developers and open-source veterans

Okay who? You're saying a lot of really big titles but the actions of the project so far are definitely not reflecting this.

Since the source code of the server component is nowhere to be found nor is it open source, I think there is no reason for this beeing an request in "app whislist". @suhan1996 what are you trying to archive here?

[nebulon]

It seems like some communication fixes might be required in the upstream project with regards to the licensing to just clear up the situation. Generally though Cloudron is about selfhosting first, rather than licensing. Enabling users to run apps on their servers, regardless if paid or not, afterall this is a decision a user can make on his/her own.

If there is business incentive to provide an app via Cloudron, it is also clear though, that we (the Cloudron team) will not invest a lot of time into packaging, this then falls more into the upstream project/company responsibility. But if upstream developers support a Cloudron package on their own in a sustainable manner, I think having such options are a great win for everyone.

[fbartels]

@nebulon said in 15MB Rust Written Private Hostable IM Social Chat App:

But if upstream developers support a Cloudron package on their own in a sustainable manner, I think having such options are a great win for everyone.

Absolutely

[subven]

@nebulon said in 15MB Rust Written Private Hostable IM Social Chat App:

Generally though Cloudron is about selfhosting first, rather than licensing.

I agree. However, what worries me is when projects make false claims and seem a bit obscure as that doesn't inspire much trust. This came to my mind when I thought about the planned implementation of better support for community packages since you have less protection against possible bad actors. For now, I do not worry to install anything from the app store cause I know that these apps are monitored and most of them are FLOSS.

[LoudLemur]

I noticed this VoceChat as they bill themselves as being simpler than RocketChat but also good at including ChatBots in their chat.

There is a Docker.

The server code is available under the Big Time v2.0 licence:

https://github.com/Privoce/vocechat-server-rust/blob/master/license

The server code is under Big Time Public License license, and the official image is under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license.

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[Kubernetes]

Looks nice, I will have a look to package it...

[Kubernetes]

Hmmm, I have problems to fetch the binary package from their server. The URL should be https://s.voce.chat/vocechat-server-v0.3.1-x86_64-unknown-linux-musl.zip , but I get an 403 HTTP error. Any ideas? If I run the install.sh from the repo, the URL above is generated, but also fails.

[fbartels]

Looking at the git tags of their server backend on Github, they seem to be already a few versions further down the road and trying the latest version (https://s.voce.chat/vocechat-server-v0.3.20-x86_64-unknown-linux-musl.zip
at the time of writing) results in a download at least.

The git repo of the backend however only has a single commit, so ...

[Kubernetes]

Initial App Package is done and in my repo

I think it would be good if someone can test if everything works fine.

After first deployment you need to configure the admin user by accessing the deployed app. First user is admin - so please do not wait to long after deployment to register yourself!

[LoudLemur]

@Kubernetes said in 15MB Rust Written Private Hostable IM Social Chat App:

I think it would be good if someone can test if everything works fine.

I will try. I am not sure about where Cloudron's documentation is to install a package from a private repo like this.

[Kubernetes]

@LoudLemur You need to clone my repo to a local linux where the Cloudron CLI and Docker is installed. On your cloudron you can install the Docker Registry App to host the custom Image. In Cloudron itself you need to configure your custom Docker Registry.

Then you can build the Docker Image with

docker build -t vocechat .

Then you need to tag the local Docker image to your Cloudron Docker Registry:

docker tag vocechat:latest URL-OF-YOUR-IMAGE-REGISTRY/vocechat

After tagging you need to push the image to the Cloudron Docker Registry:

docker push URL-OF-YOUR-IMAGE-REGISTRY/vocechat

And finally you can install the custom Docker Image from your Cludron Docker Registry to your Cloudron with:

cloudron install --image URL-OF-YOUR-IMAGE-REGISTRY/vocechat

[robi]

@Kubernetes It would be so nice to have an app that lets you paste a link to an image and does the automation magic to install that custom app.

[Kubernetes]

@robi Good suggestion. There may be ways to achieve something similar...

To make the use of custom Apps more generic we may need to:

• Someone needs to host "all" custom App images on a custom Docker Registry that is available to any user (best would be without any authentication) - Asked for advise in this post
• Someone prepares the custom App Image and uploads it to the custom Docker Registry (this could be the one who maintains the registry)
• Any user could add the custom Docker Registry to his Cloudron instance
• Any user have to install the Cloudron CLI to install the custom App on his Cloudron instance

I think the main issues is the potential disk storage that is required to host all the custom App images in the registry. I am also not sure, if the custom Docker Registry can be configured to allow image pulls from anonymous.

[robi]

@Kubernetes said in 15MB Rust Written Private Hostable IM Social Chat App:

• Any user have to install the Cloudron CLI to install the custom App on his Cloudron instance

I disagree with this point, as we can install apps from the app store without the CLI (API), as well as restore backup configs without it. Hence those two should be the focus.

The others are good. Start with something, even for a single app. We can add more from there.

[Kubernetes]

@robi said in 15MB Rust Written Private Hostable IM Social Chat App:

@Kubernetes said in 15MB Rust Written Private Hostable IM Social Chat App:

• Any user have to install the Cloudron CLI to install the custom App on his Cloudron instance

I disagree with this point, as we can install apps from the app store without the CLI (API), as well as restore backup configs without it. Hence those two should be the focus.

Yes, but this is something we need official Cloudron support for - I could understand if they don't want to support a third party App Store

Also to add, the custom Apps are usually not the same quality as the official Apps. That could lead to a lot more needs for user support

[robi]

@Kubernetes Nothing prevents unofficial API use or restoring (open) backup configs (of existing apps) which only need a webserver/s3 location link. They could even be magnet/torrent links.

[Kubernetes]

Sorry guys, I just realized, that the easy installer was still missing for vocachat.
I just updated the App Package in my Repo with easy installer.

As I already mentioned earlier in this thread. Please be aware that right after the Vocechat App is installed, the registration is open for the first user that is accessing the App. So do the registration right after you installed the App!

Tagging @LoudLemur

[robi]

How is VoceChat to use? Anyone try it yet?