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FWIW, I just upgraded from Ubuntu 18 this evening. Cloudron's documentation from going from 18 to 20 was quite helpful, re: a collectd edit that I never would have thought to make, plus the specific MySQL Server migration rules. Everything went smoothly, but without the documentation, it wouldn't have. So kudos to the team.

@marcusquinn said in Discord - Where did people go wrong?:

@jegillikin-0 I think AI will bring more people into the terminal. I was recently looking at Twitter CLI projects, and already finding AI Shell rather useful for improving command line understanding.

Hahaha, I have seen the future and it's Emacs.

@jdaviescoates Interesting concept.

In a perfect world, I'd have One Chat App To Rule Them All -- and in the darkness,

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them -- but it's been a long time since that's been on the table.

Omnivore offers a browser plug-in and Logseq offers an Omnivore plug-in. Neither offers a server address option. Although I love the idea of a self-hosted Omnivore, if the relevant plugins can't accommodate alternative servers, I can't imagine the ROI is locked in.

@LoudLemur

I agree with @humptydumpty but I think there's another layer of complexity here. Despite loving FOSS, FOSS isn't free to the person who hosts it.

I can spin up a Discord server for free. However, if I spin up Element under my control, I need at least a server and a domain name. Those aren't free, and my real-life billing info is part of that transaction. Free software is great unless you're the admin. In which case, there's almost always non-trivial infra costs that must be borne.

I know lots of folks who could use, e.g., Element, but the content of their communities has some risk (usually copyright infringement) that they don't want directly traceable to themselves.

I'm also one of "those guys" who runs several small businesses. I don't have time to be checking 84,328 different places for inbound comms. For better or for worse, I pay ProtonMail to host the MX for most of my domains, and I rely on email primarily -- everything dumps into one app and inbox, and I sort it with labels and filters. Secondarily, iMessage, for those few people to whom I give my cell number. Thirdly, Discord. Beyond that, I don't have the bandwidth to be checking bespoke comms hubs for all the communities/initiatives with which I'm involved.

Put differently -- the FOSS problem is one of network effects. I can learn and use one app for many servers on Discord, but given the fragmentation of the FOSS ecosystem, I'd need to use several apps to track those same communities in the alternative. And I just don't have time for that, just as I don't have time to be tech support for users who don't know how Teh Intertubes work.

+1 for reproducing this problem in the wild.

Excellent progress!

@girish Come to think of it, I didn't try to delete it, but one of the domains is no longer active in DNS and I removed it entirely from Digital Ocean, but I never bothered to remove it from Cloudron. So I suppose the API is calling nothing. Would that make a difference?

@nebulon

Many thanks for the prompt assist -- all is now well in the world.

@nebulon Sure -- enabled, and email sent. Thanks!

@scooke Thanks for the thoughts!

1. No IDNs.
2. Yeah, it worked as recently as six months or so ago, which was the last time I adjusted email stuff. Then I went in around when I opened this thread and ... nothing. And still nothing, after some time elapsed and upgrades/reboots.
3. Nothing much different between InPrivate and normal browsing, nor when I disable anti-tracking plugins and allow third-party cookies on the dashboard's domain.

I'm wondering, based on those 404s, whether I need to re-provision the API key into Digital Ocean for one of those domains. Hmm.

@nebulon
Here's what I see with devtools active:

The domain jegillikin.com does NOT have mail configured, by design -- I use Microsoft 365 for email services. It's focused on that domain even when I click the pencil icon for a different domain.

I'm currently on 6.3.4 on Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS, and my subscription is active.

@d19dotca Neither Edge nor Chrome nor Firefox nor Opera ...

It simply isn't working, and nothing in the logs explains why.

Gaah, sorry for the long-delayed follow up. I blame the ... oh, look, a squirrel.

After server and Cloudron restarts, the problem persists. Email works just fine, and the email service is active and well within memory limits. I even tried a DNS resync, and a quick scan of the email logs does not suggest that anything is amiss. But when I access the Email option from the control panel menu -- regardless of the domain -- all I see is a spinning ring.

Step 1: Click the wrench of any domain:

Step 2: Get the spinny donut:

The grey- and red-dotted domains are doing what they should; one is expired and will eventually be deleted, and the other has no email service through the Cloudron instance. Everything else is green, and works -- no problems with sending and receiving. I just can't enable/disable email for a new domain or configure email on a per-domain basis.

Any insight?

I've been trying to add an email address, but from the control panel, when I go to the Email menu, I can't edit any of the email settings for any of my associated domains. I can see all eight domains, and I can send a test message from any of them, but clicking the pencil icon to edit them just sends me to a page with a spinning ring that never resolves.

Anyone have advice on how to fix this problem?

(Yes, I've already tried rebooting the Cloudron server.)

Relatedly, for the benefit of the team here, I'm a ghostwriter for some of the content at HostingAdvice.com. I've nominated Cloudron as a potential future feature article, and the staff there added y'all to the list of companies to research for future interviews. (And if they conduct one, I'll end up doing the write-up.) HA gets pretty decent traffic from a CIO perspective, so here's hoping that Cloudron comes up on the list sometime soon.