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Hi all

Had this problem in the past, but thought I just did something wrong or a file got corrupted. But after it happened again, I did some testing. Whenever I try to restore my server from backups and a mailbox is included, it simply doesn't work. I tried it with several servers. My mailbox has about 1.7 GB - when including all mailboxes, its around 2.5GB.

I spin up a new server, install a fresh Ubuntu LTS and I install cloudron. I then choose to do a restore and I upload the config file. In case there is no mailbox included or mailbox size is just a few MB, everything works like a charm. No problems at all. But whenever my full mailbox is included, restore fails:

I tried to restore from Hetzner VPS to Netcup VPS, Hetzner to Netcup RS, from Netcup to Hetzner VPS and from Netcup and Hetzner VPS to a dedicated Hetzner server (bare metal). In all cases the results are the same: Restore fails when a larger mailbox is included. As I do external backups of all mails, its easy to test with and without mails. Whenever I delete my mailbox and start a manual backup afterward, the restore of such backup works flawless. But once I import my mails and the mailbox is bigger than 1.x GB, the next restore will fail.

Is there something like a file or size limit that causes restore to fail, once it reaches a specific size? Is there a way to exclude mails from a backup? I am fine backing up my mails with external tools. But in case a server crash occurs, I need to restore without any problems. At the moment I can't use and trust the Cloudron mailserver as it causes restores to fail.

I did like 15 tests from and to different servers and its always the same result: mailbox with 1.7GB of mails = 100% restore fails - empty mailbox or just a few MB = restore works 100%

Thanks for any help on this

PS: I am using Hetzner Storage Box via CIFS Mount as backup storage

That answers my question. Thank you very much

Hi all

For some reasons I need to change my domain and move my current domain to another server/project. Is it possible to change the main domain? AFAIK the license is bound to the domain I used when setting up cloudron for the first time.

What happens if I change the main domain from my.old.tld to my.new.tld and remove the whole old domain from the server?

Thanks for your help

Best,
Boris

Hi Cloudron Community

tl;dr Has anyone here switched from Google Workspace, MS365, or a similar service to Cloudron? If so, are you still satisfied with the change, or is there anything you regret or miss from your previous service?

Long version:

I am using Google Workspace at the moment. I pay ~15 EUR per month for 5TB of storage and I use Gmail, Drive, Docs, Notes. So just given the fact that they host all the services for me with 5TB of storage for this tiny amount of money would be a no-brainer. But on the other hand I love Cloudron. I have more control over everything and my data and files are more or less in my own hands. Also I simply love hosting my own services and setting up everything.

My work is not related to any of them. I am using Google Workspace for my personal mails, files, notes, docs, etc, while my Cloudron instance is used for several community projects, a few things Google doesn't provide and also some private projects.

I am thinking about using Nextcloud, Cloudron integrated mailserver, and some of the services Cloudron offers to replace Google Workspace. I would like to know your opinions and experiences from those of you that already switched to Cloudron or Nextcloud and stuff in general.

Thanks a lot

Best,
Boris

Sorry for this delayed response. Just wanted to confirm that everything worked right after contacting you. Thank your very much for this quick reply and for your great support. Appreciate it.

Hi all
I upgraded successfuly to Premium - well at least from my CC side. Money was taken 140,29 $ / 196.52 EUR . Problem is that its still running on free server after 1 hour and I can't install any more Apps.

Does ist take some hours between payment and refresh of subscription status?

Thanks all

@girish said in Nextcloud Talk keeps re-installing again and again:

@Stardenver the package automatically configured talk+turn on restart and app updates. To disable this, disable TURN for the app - https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/#turn

Thank you very much

Hi all

Not sure if this is related to Nextcloud running as docker, but every few days/weeks the Talk app is back without me installing it. I set up a new instance and one of the first things I do is to deactivate and uninstall Talk. The folder bothers me and the only way to delete it permanently is by uninstalling Talk (not a big deal, as I don't use it).

But after a few days, the Talk folder is back. I check the installed apps and Talk is re-installed. I have no idea why and how this always happens. Today is like the 4th time I uninstall it on the same instance.

Thanks for any tips regarding this

Boris

So nobody has any information regarding my question?

Hi all

Not a native speaker, but will try my best. Like a year or two ago, I decided to test Nextcloud with extended storage. My VPS comes with "just" 200-something GB of storage, which is not enough for all my files (data hoarder). I added a Hetzner Storage Box to my server, which actually worked very well (still using another Storage Box as Backup solution for cloudron). But once I added the Box to Nextcloud (External Storage -> local -> media/hetzner) I could literally watch my VPS storage fill up with data, to the point where the VPS didn't work anymore.

Some research unveiled, that the versioning and/or "trash" system of Nextcloud may have caused this. For some reason my Nextcloud saved different versions of those external files, even though I never really changed them. I later gave it another try but this time I bypassed Cloudron volume function and added the Storage Box directly to Nextcloud as cifs. Same results. Nextcloud hidden files grew and grew and grew and I stopped it once again.

Here I am now, ready to give it another try. This time I got a dedicated server for testing containing SSD (for OS and stuff) and HDD for storage. Cloudron and all apps/services will be on the SSD, while I plan on using the HDD for Nextcloud. Should I - once again - add the HDD as external storage? Or mount the HDD in Cloudron and move the whole Nextcloud installation to this volume?

What is the best way to gain maximum storage from SSD and HDD in Nextcloud, but still avoiding the problems I mentioned?

Thank you all for your help.

Getting a weird message when re-trying:

Weird because of the "ETRYAGAIN".

Hi all

Bought another domain (.online) and I am facing problems using it. Bought it on namecheap, like many of my other domains. Added it, using the namecheap api and all DNS records were done automatically and actually look good. Manually changed the mx settings and can receive mails without any problems. So everything seems to work fine. When I try to open the URL I get a message saying "You are seeing this page because the DNS record of [domain] is set to this server's IP but Cloudron has no app configured for this domain.".

But for some reasons I cannot install anything on this domain. I was planning on using it for nextcloud but whenever I try to install, installation stops at "Installing - Waiting for propagation of...[domain]. I tried to repair several times, also cancelled installation and started over again. But I never get beyond that point where its waiting for propagation.

Anything I can do?

thanks a lot
Boris

So all the progress they made, all the updates, new functions, new apps.. all thats nothing because they don't provide you that one single app you want them to provide?

@necrevistonnezr said in How to remove all mail folder?:

Another thing is that - as usual with Apple - there’s no way to adjust or reset such suggestions. Even without the „all mail“ folder, it was hit & miss. And why would a folder that has been added later override all previously learned suggestions? It’s just stupid.
(BTW, the same goes for login/password suggestions in Safari, even when using Bitwarden - for my Cloudron site, Safari suggests 30 login / password combinations that are out of date. No way to reset that).

I hear you. Apple always does everything the apple way. In this case I think its not really related to "learning". I think its more of a scan and match system. You receive a mail and the mail app is looking up for the folder containing the most mails with the given sender. So in case of Amazon apps there are like two options: The Amazon folder and the all mail folder. As I may have missed a few mails in the past and probably just moved them into the archive, there may be a slightly higher amount of mails in the all mail folder. Also I tend to use folders like "cancellations" or "payments" which may also contain Amazon mails.

The same goes for office mails. The same sender (f.g. boss@work) may end up in folder "Project A" and Project "B", according to its content and topic. But both mails will be found in "all mail". So no matter what, the all mail folder will - due to its nature - always have the biggest and max. possible amount of mails from every given sender and therefor get the highest "rank" from Apple Mail.

At least thats what I assume.

@necrevistonnezr said in How to remove all mail folder?:

„messed up“?

Well.. maybe „messed up suggestions“ would be a better phrase. iOS makes suggestions for actions according folders. Like 1-click-move of a YouTube mail into the YouTube folder, new Amazon mail into Amazon folder and so on. Since I upgraded and the all mail folder appeared, iOS and iPadOS just suggests to move every mail into this folder. Non of the quick actions to move a mail work anymore. I have to dig through my list of folders and pick every folder by hand.

Hi all

As the new (virtual) all mail folder messed up my iOS Mail I am looking for an option to turn it off as it was before. Where can I find such option?

Thanks a lot

Update solved the problem. Will dig into the monitoring problem, which indeed seems to be not cloudron related. Thank you for the reply.

Just in case those information are needed:

Its a Ryzen 7 3700X, OS running on a Samsung MZVL21T0HCLR-00B00 1 TB NVMe and RAID 1 array contains 2x HGST HUH721010AL 10TB HDD

I just realized that the disk usage tool within cloudron doesn't provide any data as well. No matter how often I click on refresh or Analyze Disk, nothing happens.

I checked logs and it shows the following:

Sep 03 10:20:49 box:shell startTask (stdout): Service box-task-1559 failed to run
Sep 03 10:20:49 box:shell startTask (stdout): Service box-task-1559 finished with exit code 1
Sep 03 10:20:49 box:shell startTask code: 1, signal: null
Sep 03 10:20:49 box:tasks startTask: 1559 completed with code 1
Sep 03 10:20:49 box:tasks startTask: 1559 done. error: { stack: "TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'contents')\n" + ' at getDisks (/home/yellowtent/box/src/system.js:108:36)\n' + ' at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:95:5)\n' + ' at async updateDiskUsage (/home/yellowtent/box/src/system.js:208:19)', message: "Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'contents')" }
Sep 03 10:20:50 box:apphealthmonitor app health: 22 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
Sep 03 10:20:50 box:apphealthmonitor app health: 22 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
Sep 03 10:21:00 box:apphealthmonitor app health: 22 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
Sep 03 10:21:00 box:apphealthmonitor app health: 22 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive

Whenever I click on Analyze Disk again, it comes up with this:

Sep 03 10:25:29 box:shell startTask (stdout): Service box-task-1560 failed to run
Sep 03 10:25:29 box:shell startTask (stdout): Service box-task-1560 finished with exit code 1
Sep 03 10:25:29 box:shell startTask code: 1, signal: null
Sep 03 10:25:29 box:tasks startTask: 1560 completed with code 1
Sep 03 10:25:29 box:tasks startTask: 1560 done. error: { stack: "TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'contents')\n" + ' at getDisks (/home/yellowtent/box/src/system.js:108:36)\n' + ' at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:95:5)\n' + ' at async updateDiskUsage (/home/yellowtent/box/src/system.js:208:19)', message: "Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'contents')" }
Sep 03 10:25:30 box:apphealthmonitor app health: 22 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
Sep 03 10:25:30 box:apphealthmonitor app health: 22 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
Sep 03 10:25:38 box:scheduler could not run task housekeeping : App not found

Hello

Moved my cloudron instance to a new sever. Cloudron/OS is running on nvme and I added a RAID1 array of 2 HDD. Was trying to set up an email alert for RAID monitoring using

mdadm --monitor --scan --daemonize --mail=mailaddress

Server responded with:

Only one autorebuild process allowed in scan mode, aborting

Is this due to cloudron somehow monitoring the raid or isn't this related to cloudron at all? Actually I don't really care how the RAID array is beeing monitored, as long as I get some kind of notification in case the RAID array fails due to a drive failure.

Thanks a lot