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Miro alternative?

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  • ei8fdbE Offline
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    ei8fdb
    wrote on last edited by
    #1

    As I've maybe mentioned before I'm a UX designer and user researcher. I'm a big user of Miro, especially now with the Covid-19s - work I'd be doing with clients standing in front of a wall with sticky notes and pieces of paper I now have t0 do remotely. (mainly planning research/workshops/heavily collaborative work).

    Last year I spent some time looking for alternatives to Miro (mainly Whimsical, and Mural) but didn't find any actually useful and usable alternatives.

    Is anyone aware of a self-hostable, open source alternative?

    Thanks!

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    • marcusquinnM Offline
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      #2

      Adding some convenience links for the post 🙂

      • https://miro.com/
      • https://alternativeto.net/software/miro--formerly-realtimeboard/?license=opensource
      • https://www.getapp.com/collaboration-software/a/realtimeboard/alternatives/?pricingcategories_slug[]=open-source
      • https://www.guidingtech.com/microsoft-whiteboard-alternatives/

      Interesting App - can't spot any obvious alternative though unless one of the Video Conferencing / Screensharing apps has something similar included as a feature.

      Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
      Development https://brandlight.org
      Life https://marcusquinn.com

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      • girishG Offline
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        #3

        I haven't used miro, but is https://github.com/lovasoa/whitebophir anywhere close?

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        • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

          Adding some convenience links for the post 🙂

          • https://miro.com/
          • https://alternativeto.net/software/miro--formerly-realtimeboard/?license=opensource
          • https://www.getapp.com/collaboration-software/a/realtimeboard/alternatives/?pricingcategories_slug[]=open-source
          • https://www.guidingtech.com/microsoft-whiteboard-alternatives/

          Interesting App - can't spot any obvious alternative though unless one of the Video Conferencing / Screensharing apps has something similar included as a feature.

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          ei8fdb
          wrote on last edited by
          #4

          @marcusquinn Derp. I should have added some links. 🤦 Thanks.

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          • girishG girish

            I haven't used miro, but is https://github.com/lovasoa/whitebophir anywhere close?

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            ei8fdb
            wrote on last edited by ei8fdb
            #5

            @girish Fundamentally yes, but Miro is more advanced (obviously, it's a massive-ish company).

            It is an infinitely zoomable canvas and web whiteboard, but also:

            • allows collaborative editing, commenting, viewing
            • sharing of boards
            • presenting of boards
            • provide video, chat (which are terrible, so scratch those!)
            • provides a whole series of templates people can use (these are excellent, and - obviously weren't there at the beginning
            • allows exporing/importing of boards
            • presentation mode
            • integrations with lots of tools (in and out)

            .

            I've used Framasoft's FramaBoard in the past for these types of activities but I'm afraid it's not as powerful.

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            • marcusquinnM Offline
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              wrote on last edited by marcusquinn
              #6

              Maybe interesting related app being made public from wordpress.com:

              • https://wordpress.com/blog/2020/08/06/improve-your-remote-collaboration-with-p2/
              • https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/06/wordpress-com-launches-new-p2-to-take-on-internal-communication-tools/ (maybe open sourced soon)
              • https://wordpress.org/themes/p2/ (old version of it as a theme)
              • https://ma.tt/2009/05/how-p2-changed-automattic/

              Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
              Development https://brandlight.org
              Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                #7

                Maybe the Cryptpad Whiteboard could be relevant, although certainly Miro is quite a mature and slick App, I can't see any direct FOSS alternatives, it would more likely be a combination of tools to replicate all the features.

                https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/3069/cryptpad

                Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                Development https://brandlight.org
                Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                  #8

                  Actually, Excalidraw looks really neat!
                  It doesn't support advanced stuff like Mentions and has only very limited text formatting options, but if it's just about brainstorming some ideas and putting a couple of post-its on a whiteboard, one can get quite far with it. Plus: doesn't need a lengthy introduction as it is super intuitive.
                  Stack: React, Rough.js, TypeScript, Vercel

                  Would love to see this in Cloudron.

                  https://github.com/excalidraw/excalidraw
                  https://excalidraw.com/

                  Edit: Already suggested in the Wishlist.


                  Edit2: Also Spacedeck. Suggested already, you can upvote it here.
                  @jdaviescoates has already caught them all ... 🤓

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                  • kuchengrabK kuchengrab

                    Actually, Excalidraw looks really neat!
                    It doesn't support advanced stuff like Mentions and has only very limited text formatting options, but if it's just about brainstorming some ideas and putting a couple of post-its on a whiteboard, one can get quite far with it. Plus: doesn't need a lengthy introduction as it is super intuitive.
                    Stack: React, Rough.js, TypeScript, Vercel

                    Would love to see this in Cloudron.

                    https://github.com/excalidraw/excalidraw
                    https://excalidraw.com/

                    Edit: Already suggested in the Wishlist.


                    Edit2: Also Spacedeck. Suggested already, you can upvote it here.
                    @jdaviescoates has already caught them all ... 🤓

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                    • kuchengrabK kuchengrab

                      Actually, Excalidraw looks really neat!
                      It doesn't support advanced stuff like Mentions and has only very limited text formatting options, but if it's just about brainstorming some ideas and putting a couple of post-its on a whiteboard, one can get quite far with it. Plus: doesn't need a lengthy introduction as it is super intuitive.
                      Stack: React, Rough.js, TypeScript, Vercel

                      Would love to see this in Cloudron.

                      https://github.com/excalidraw/excalidraw
                      https://excalidraw.com/

                      Edit: Already suggested in the Wishlist.


                      Edit2: Also Spacedeck. Suggested already, you can upvote it here.
                      @jdaviescoates has already caught them all ... 🤓

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                      #10

                      @jdaviescoates sorry! my bad.

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                      • kuchengrabK kuchengrab

                        @jdaviescoates sorry! my bad.

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                        jdaviescoates
                        wrote on last edited by jdaviescoates
                        #11

                        @kuchengrab actually my bad! I posted (and then deleted) a post saying to upvote it, but you'd already done so! 🙂

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                        • kuchengrabK kuchengrab

                          Actually, Excalidraw looks really neat!
                          It doesn't support advanced stuff like Mentions and has only very limited text formatting options, but if it's just about brainstorming some ideas and putting a couple of post-its on a whiteboard, one can get quite far with it. Plus: doesn't need a lengthy introduction as it is super intuitive.
                          Stack: React, Rough.js, TypeScript, Vercel

                          Would love to see this in Cloudron.

                          https://github.com/excalidraw/excalidraw
                          https://excalidraw.com/

                          Edit: Already suggested in the Wishlist.


                          Edit2: Also Spacedeck. Suggested already, you can upvote it here.
                          @jdaviescoates has already caught them all ... 🤓

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                          ei8fdb
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                          #12

                          @kuchengrab This looks really nice design. I really like the sketch fidelity.
                          The functionality is basic, but still very nice.

                          Spacedeck looks nice too, but the low-fidelity of Exaclidraw draws me to it more.

                          I really need to learn how to make packages for Cloudron so I can get some of these apps packaged. 📝

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                            kuchengrab
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                            #13

                            Yeah, I mean, I don't like the script font and wish there were a few more font and formatting options, but I understand that they probably want to KISS.

                            True, I also wish I could package something like that, but I just started out with running my own dockers on a VPS.

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                            • kuchengrabK kuchengrab

                              Yeah, I mean, I don't like the script font and wish there were a few more font and formatting options, but I understand that they probably want to KISS.

                              True, I also wish I could package something like that, but I just started out with running my own dockers on a VPS.

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                              @kuchengrab @ei8fdb
                              https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2686/live-stream-on-creating-an-app-for-cloudron
                              https://forum.cloudron.io/post/10712

                              Enjoy

                              Conscious tech

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                                imho the best alternative that can be found is draw.io it's amazing and there even is a plugin to install in NextCloud in "New Document".

                                I've used the app for a while and indeed it's amazing, of course it's open source and I've not investigated deeply but there's apparently already a docker image :
                                https://github.com/jgraph/docker-drawio

                                Andy

                                Ignorance is not an excuse anymore!
                                https://AutomateKit.com

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                                  #16

                                  How about using PenPot as a whiteboard?

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                                  • yusfY yusf

                                    How about using PenPot as a whiteboard?

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                                    @yusf PenPot does look nice doesn't it.

                                    See also Spacedeck (which is included in Nextcloud 21 too as https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/integration_whiteboard ).

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