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What's coming in 6.0 (take 2)

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  • girishG Offline
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    @ruihildt You can/should still do it ๐Ÿ™‚ !

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    • girishG girish

      @ruihildt You can/should still do it ๐Ÿ™‚ !

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      @girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

      @ruihildt You can/should still do it !

      Something to announce ? ๐Ÿ˜ฑ

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        We got some inquiries about what languages we will support. Currently, it's early days and we are just deciding on how to go about internationalization. Usually, translating an app is 2 steps. Step 1 is i18 phase where the app is made translation friendly. Step 2 is the l10n phase where localizations are provided.

        At this point, all we know is that we will atleast launch with french and german translations.

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        • girishG girish

          We got some inquiries about what languages we will support. Currently, it's early days and we are just deciding on how to go about internationalization. Usually, translating an app is 2 steps. Step 1 is i18 phase where the app is made translation friendly. Step 2 is the l10n phase where localizations are provided.

          At this point, all we know is that we will atleast launch with french and german translations.

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          @girish That's great news. You can count on me for translation to Brazilian Portuguese.

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            @girish That's great news. You can count on me for translation to Brazilian Portuguese.

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            @malvim Beleza!

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              Some updates on volume management. There is now a volume view.

              51ffb468-f11f-41cf-813f-c36e10ae0e3c-image.png

              You add a host path as a volume and give it a name. This is most likely some EBS/external hard disk/Block Storage. There is also the file manager integration (the button next to the delete button).

              You can then go to the app view and mount these volumes into the apps. There is a new Storage section.

              88466958-b414-40ae-bff6-32edf6dac6bc-image.png

              There is a section overload in the app configure view ๐Ÿ™‚ We are looking to reducing the list of sections in the left pane. It's making things hard to find.

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                This looks wonderful!

                Off the top of my head, I could see the Console + Repair sections being merged and the Resources + Access Control + Location sections being merged. But honestly I am struggling to come up with names so I suppose thats why you have them the way you have them now.

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                • girishG girish

                  Some updates on volume management. There is now a volume view.

                  51ffb468-f11f-41cf-813f-c36e10ae0e3c-image.png

                  You add a host path as a volume and give it a name. This is most likely some EBS/external hard disk/Block Storage. There is also the file manager integration (the button next to the delete button).

                  You can then go to the app view and mount these volumes into the apps. There is a new Storage section.

                  88466958-b414-40ae-bff6-32edf6dac6bc-image.png

                  There is a section overload in the app configure view ๐Ÿ™‚ We are looking to reducing the list of sections in the left pane. It's making things hard to find.

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                  @girish Amazing!

                  It's almost like you develop with the power of telepathy sometimes ๐Ÿ™‡

                  Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                  Development https://brandlight.org
                  Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                  • girishG girish

                    Some updates on volume management. There is now a volume view.

                    51ffb468-f11f-41cf-813f-c36e10ae0e3c-image.png

                    You add a host path as a volume and give it a name. This is most likely some EBS/external hard disk/Block Storage. There is also the file manager integration (the button next to the delete button).

                    You can then go to the app view and mount these volumes into the apps. There is a new Storage section.

                    88466958-b414-40ae-bff6-32edf6dac6bc-image.png

                    There is a section overload in the app configure view ๐Ÿ™‚ We are looking to reducing the list of sections in the left pane. It's making things hard to find.

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                    @girish Any chance of you adding a button in for resizing the partition after upgrading a VM?

                    Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                    Development https://brandlight.org
                    Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                    • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                      @girish Any chance of you adding a button in for resizing the partition after upgrading a VM?

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                      @marcusquinn Not for this release but hope to implement more volume management tools (like mounting nfs/sshfs, backing up volumes, resizing etc) as we go.

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                        #35

                        Not a feature I was expecting but I know I'll take advantage of it. This is pretty cool!

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                        • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                          @girish Any chance of you adding a button in for resizing the partition after upgrading a VM?

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                          @marcusquinn said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

                          @girish Any chance of you adding a button in for resizing the partition after upgrading a VM?

                          +1

                          Resizing my backup volume on Hetzner is one of the few reasons I have to occasionally ssh into my VPS.

                          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                            Externalizing a volume to a Minio/S3/Object store would be nice.

                            Conscious tech

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                            • robiR robi

                              Externalizing a volume to a Minio/S3/Object store would be nice.

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                              @robi
                              s3 filesystem are not so mature, i read a lot on them because use s3 with dovecot in our mail server and the performance are terrible in u use s3 as FS, 20/40 ms depending on where you host the s3 server.

                              The optimal solution is to use plugin or software that integrate s3 in to the App/script that you want to use.

                              Matteo. R.
                              Founder and Tech-Support Manager.
                              MooCloud MSP
                              Swiss Managed Service Provider

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                                @girish I could not have imagined a better system ! Looks amazing !

                                Three questions:

                                1/ How do you decide where in the app these are gonna be mounted? Is it in the same path for all apps ? Or could I create a given volume, and mount it at /app/data/toto in app 1 and /app/data/tata in app 2 ?

                                2/ How does it work when there already is data in the app's original /app/data before you mount the volume to it? Is it just hidden as long as the volume is mounted?

                                3/ How does it work with regards to backups?

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                                  For 1 and 2: Those volumes will be mounted into the apps based on /media/<volumename> and thus one volume associated with apps will always have the same mountpoint within the apps.

                                  For 3: Initially those won't be backed up at all, but we will likely add optional backup per volume as well. The user has to be aware of the fact that volumes are not part of the app backups as such!

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                                  • nebulonN nebulon

                                    For 1 and 2: Those volumes will be mounted into the apps based on /media/<volumename> and thus one volume associated with apps will always have the same mountpoint within the apps.

                                    For 3: Initially those won't be backed up at all, but we will likely add optional backup per volume as well. The user has to be aware of the fact that volumes are not part of the app backups as such!

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                                    @nebulon said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

                                    For 1 and 2: Those volumes will be mounted into the apps based on /media/<volumename> and thus one volume associated with apps will always have the same mountpoint within the apps.

                                    For 3: Initially those won't be backed up at all, but we will likely add optional backup per volume as well. The user has to be aware of the fact that volumes are not part of the app backups as such!

                                    Thatโ€™s the difference to storage mounted in โ€žResourcesโ€œ - this will get backed up, correct?

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                                      The volumes are setup outside of the apps first and are essentially independent. Once you've created a volume you can then mount that into an app via the Storage section in the app configuration. Even if mounted though, it will not be part of the app backup, since the main reason for volumes is to be mounted into multiple apps. For that we have to first figure out how to manage those with regards to backups.

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                                        The volumes are setup outside of the apps first and are essentially independent. Once you've created a volume you can then mount that into an app via the Storage section in the app configuration. Even if mounted though, it will not be part of the app backup, since the main reason for volumes is to be mounted into multiple apps. For that we have to first figure out how to manage those with regards to backups.

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                                        @nebulon That makes sense. Iโ€™m of the opinion that optional block storage should effectively be backed up at the host level not the application level. In other words, taking a snapshot or something like that which many providers allow even volumes / block storage to be snapshotted. Much like how we need to snapshot our actual VPS on occasion too for a backup strategy of the entire server.

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                                        • nebulonN nebulon

                                          The volumes are setup outside of the apps first and are essentially independent. Once you've created a volume you can then mount that into an app via the Storage section in the app configuration. Even if mounted though, it will not be part of the app backup, since the main reason for volumes is to be mounted into multiple apps. For that we have to first figure out how to manage those with regards to backups.

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                                          @nebulon said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

                                          The volumes are setup outside of the apps first and are essentially independent. Once you've created a volume you can then mount that into an app via the Storage section in the app configuration. Even if mounted though, it will not be part of the app backup, since the main reason for volumes is to be mounted into multiple apps. For that we have to first figure out how to manage those with regards to backups.

                                          No, I mean external volumes that you can currently already move the data dir to under โ€žResourcesโ€œ in the app settings - this gets backed up, correct?

                                          (FCDC6438-A854-4900-9C07-3D88E6DADC69.jpeg

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