Translations for Cloudron
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I would prefer to still hold off a bit on suggestions as I am still building up those translation keys and thus I won't accept them yet. Once this stabilizes I am an not sure if it would then make sense to open up registration for our weblate instance so we can have a non anonymous discussion on translation strings, which I would prefer.
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Just wanted to mention how much I love the fact that even before being 100% ready to process contributed translations that we've got commitments on at least 5 languages! That's awesome. It would be good perhaps for those of us that use the product and can contribute any translation to set some goals for completing those that we can get started. So by my count so far, we've got people ready to work on:
defritnl(not in weblate yet)es(not in weblate yet)he(not in weblate yet, RTL)
Big ones there are definitely going to be easy to complete look like
de,es, andfr, which, consideringenis already in the mix, probably covers at least one language of most of our user base. I wonder if we could dig up some folks to tackle any ofhi,zh,ja, andarsince those would all be potentially valuable places to have native-language support, with large populations and well-developed internet access. I am uniquely un-qualified to work any of those, however.Couple useful resources/citations on expansion:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers (somewhat better than above; includes portions of that data as well)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
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I would prefer to still hold off a bit on suggestions as I am still building up those translation keys and thus I won't accept them yet. Once this stabilizes I am an not sure if it would then make sense to open up registration for our weblate instance so we can have a non anonymous discussion on translation strings, which I would prefer.
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This is a good point about the languages we want to support. From our side we can only do English and German and parts Italian. My leftover French from school is probably not gonna help much
Currently there are about 900 strings to translate, quite a few are the same, but we kept the translation IDs distinct for the future, weblate should propose translations though if similar.
From what I can tell here, there are enough people willing to help on the French, Dutch and maybe Spanish (either way I think Spanish is very important) translation, so the list currently is:
- English (en)
- German (de)
- French (fr)
- Italian (it)
- Spanish (es)
- Dutch (nl)
Please speak up here if you want to help out in any other language and I will update the above list.
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This is a good point about the languages we want to support. From our side we can only do English and German and parts Italian. My leftover French from school is probably not gonna help much
Currently there are about 900 strings to translate, quite a few are the same, but we kept the translation IDs distinct for the future, weblate should propose translations though if similar.
From what I can tell here, there are enough people willing to help on the French, Dutch and maybe Spanish (either way I think Spanish is very important) translation, so the list currently is:
- English (en)
- German (de)
- French (fr)
- Italian (it)
- Spanish (es)
- Dutch (nl)
Please speak up here if you want to help out in any other language and I will update the above list.
@eriktad perhaps something we could seed populate for all languages with our translation engine? (900 words wouldn't cost anything)
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This is a good point about the languages we want to support. From our side we can only do English and German and parts Italian. My leftover French from school is probably not gonna help much
Currently there are about 900 strings to translate, quite a few are the same, but we kept the translation IDs distinct for the future, weblate should propose translations though if similar.
From what I can tell here, there are enough people willing to help on the French, Dutch and maybe Spanish (either way I think Spanish is very important) translation, so the list currently is:
- English (en)
- German (de)
- French (fr)
- Italian (it)
- Spanish (es)
- Dutch (nl)
Please speak up here if you want to help out in any other language and I will update the above list.
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Edit: I've modified the link below as it seems the embedded is being blocked
@girish @nebulon If it helps, I've put this quick survey together to gather some quant data for languages spoken:
https://saneuxdesign.survey.fm/what-languages-are-spoken-by-cloudron-users
If your language is not listed there, you can add it in the "other" field. If there's a need I'll update the list with new languages.
The data can be shared publicly to give an idea of %'s of languages spoken.
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Edit: I've modified the link below as it seems the embedded is being blocked
@girish @nebulon If it helps, I've put this quick survey together to gather some quant data for languages spoken:
https://saneuxdesign.survey.fm/what-languages-are-spoken-by-cloudron-users
If your language is not listed there, you can add it in the "other" field. If there's a need I'll update the list with new languages.
The data can be shared publicly to give an idea of %'s of languages spoken.
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Edit: I've modified the link below as it seems the embedded is being blocked
@girish @nebulon If it helps, I've put this quick survey together to gather some quant data for languages spoken:
https://saneuxdesign.survey.fm/what-languages-are-spoken-by-cloudron-users
If your language is not listed there, you can add it in the "other" field. If there's a need I'll update the list with new languages.
The data can be shared publicly to give an idea of %'s of languages spoken.
@ei8fdb I installed the poll plugin on this forum for you if you want to give it a try (make a separate post somwhere). This is the plugin I installed - https://github.com/NodeBB/nodebb-plugin-poll . There is a button in the new post dialog (looks like a graph), if you click it, it brings up a poll window.
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@ei8fdb I installed the poll plugin on this forum for you if you want to give it a try (make a separate post somwhere). This is the plugin I installed - https://github.com/NodeBB/nodebb-plugin-poll . There is a button in the new post dialog (looks like a graph), if you click it, it brings up a poll window.
@girish Thanks for doing that. I did try it - the only issue is the poll doesn't have an option for the participant to an other option, and so all languages would need to be listed from the beginning.
(I've changed the link abive to link directly to the survey)
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@ei8fdb thanks that is useful. We will ship Cloudron 6 with only English and German as fully translated. This is only because those are the languages we at Cloudron speak
However once version 6 is out, it supports downloading new languages and translations without update, so essentially once a Cloudron is then updated to version 6 then everyone can help out with translation for the rest
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@ei8fdb thanks that is useful. We will ship Cloudron 6 with only English and German as fully translated. This is only because those are the languages we at Cloudron speak
However once version 6 is out, it supports downloading new languages and translations without update, so essentially once a Cloudron is then updated to version 6 then everyone can help out with translation for the rest -
To give an idea: the whole translation is done while playing a 10 episode netflix series. After this process you need 3 times 2 hours to make the translation consistent and correct your own typos.
If you want to translate in a team, start with guidelines.For German we have decided to translate according to these guidelines:
- be inclusive & friendly
- avoid to gender. try to find better terms
- if gender is needed use the "*" format
- only translate widly used tech terms. if there is no, don't translate
- in the german language we make a difference between formal and informal salutation. Try to avoid direct salutation.
- put often used terms in the glossary
- as long as necessary but short in focus
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@ei8fdb thanks that is useful. We will ship Cloudron 6 with only English and German as fully translated. This is only because those are the languages we at Cloudron speak
However once version 6 is out, it supports downloading new languages and translations without update, so essentially once a Cloudron is then updated to version 6 then everyone can help out with translation for the rest@nebulon Glad it's useful.
We will ship Cloudron 6 with only English and German as fully translated. This is only because those are the languages we at Cloudron speak
Yup that makes sense.
However once version 6 is out, it supports downloading new languages and translations without update
Great, and the translations will be managed on weblate? I'd like to help with Spanish localisation.
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To give an idea: the whole translation is done while playing a 10 episode netflix series. After this process you need 3 times 2 hours to make the translation consistent and correct your own typos.
If you want to translate in a team, start with guidelines.For German we have decided to translate according to these guidelines:
- be inclusive & friendly
- avoid to gender. try to find better terms
- if gender is needed use the "*" format
- only translate widly used tech terms. if there is no, don't translate
- in the german language we make a difference between formal and informal salutation. Try to avoid direct salutation.
- put often used terms in the glossary
- as long as necessary but short in focus
Thanks @luckow
these are good recommendations and advice about the process, particularly:- be inclusive & friendly
- avoid to gender. try to find better terms. if gender is needed use the "*" format
I am not familar with * format?
- in the german language we make a difference between formal and informal salutation. Try to avoid direct salutation
This does bring up a question: what tone does Cloudron.io want Cloudron to have? Serious? Scary? Helpful? Friendly? - as long as necessary but short in focus
this can be hard Doing localisation so everybody can understand is a whole expertise in itself - I am not an expert, but I do try to contribute from the users perspective, and it's important to remember that not all Cloudron users are technology professionals!
It is also important to mention - in some languages there are no words for concepts like security/privacy/encryption - these are not cultural concepts. For the first first languages, this probably won't be a big issue.
Here is a set of glossaries created by Localisation Lab, a great organisation who do localisation work for a lot of open source projects and "technical" projects with their community of native speakers.
https://www.localizationlab.org/glossaries
It has glossaries for many "technical" terms in many languages, for example in Spanish:
attachment - adjunto
database - base de datos
decryption - descifrado
default server - Servidor predeterminado -
Thanks @luckow
these are good recommendations and advice about the process, particularly:- be inclusive & friendly
- avoid to gender. try to find better terms. if gender is needed use the "*" format
I am not familar with * format?
- in the german language we make a difference between formal and informal salutation. Try to avoid direct salutation
This does bring up a question: what tone does Cloudron.io want Cloudron to have? Serious? Scary? Helpful? Friendly? - as long as necessary but short in focus
this can be hard Doing localisation so everybody can understand is a whole expertise in itself - I am not an expert, but I do try to contribute from the users perspective, and it's important to remember that not all Cloudron users are technology professionals!
It is also important to mention - in some languages there are no words for concepts like security/privacy/encryption - these are not cultural concepts. For the first first languages, this probably won't be a big issue.
Here is a set of glossaries created by Localisation Lab, a great organisation who do localisation work for a lot of open source projects and "technical" projects with their community of native speakers.
https://www.localizationlab.org/glossaries
It has glossaries for many "technical" terms in many languages, for example in Spanish:
attachment - adjunto
database - base de datos
decryption - descifrado
default server - Servidor predeterminado@ei8fdb said in Translations for Cloudron:
I am not familar with * format?
I give a concrete example. It's possible to translate owner into the german word Besitzer. But in this case a masculine word is choosen. There is also a translation into Besitzerin possible. And Besitzerin is the female version of Besitzer. In our time and in discussions about an inclusive and gender-sensitive understanding, it is good to choose a "format" for how to deal with both versions of the "same" translation.
- Besitzer/in
- Besitzer & Besitzerinnen
- sometimes Besitzer, sometimes Besitzerin
- Besitzer*in
In that case we chose Besitzerin as the "" format.
Pronouns: he/him | Primary language: German
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@ei8fdb said in Translations for Cloudron:
I am not familar with * format?
I give a concrete example. It's possible to translate owner into the german word Besitzer. But in this case a masculine word is choosen. There is also a translation into Besitzerin possible. And Besitzerin is the female version of Besitzer. In our time and in discussions about an inclusive and gender-sensitive understanding, it is good to choose a "format" for how to deal with both versions of the "same" translation.
- Besitzer/in
- Besitzer & Besitzerinnen
- sometimes Besitzer, sometimes Besitzerin
- Besitzer*in
In that case we chose Besitzerin as the "" format.
