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  • robiR robi

    @moocloud_matt Which SDS do you use?

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    @robi
    Mostly Ceph, if is not needed an other stack by the customer.
    But I have tested recently the new ScaleOutZFS by truenas scale, and it's really good and easy to manage, but is not a really 100% SDS.

    Matteo. R.
    Founder and Tech-Support Manager.
    MooCloud MSP
    Swiss Managed Service Provider

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    • MooCloud_MattM MooCloud_Matt

      @robi
      Mostly Ceph, if is not needed an other stack by the customer.
      But I have tested recently the new ScaleOutZFS by truenas scale, and it's really good and easy to manage, but is not a really 100% SDS.

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      robi
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      @moocloud_matt have you played with Open vStorage? MaxIOPS? ...?

      Conscious tech

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      • robiR robi

        @moocloud_matt have you played with Open vStorage? MaxIOPS? ...?

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        @robi
        Not that I remember, but I'm not actually the CTO, so in some cases i just know of the production / future production ready solution that we are testing or using.
        I don't keep up with all the project that we test or try.

        Matteo. R.
        Founder and Tech-Support Manager.
        MooCloud MSP
        Swiss Managed Service Provider

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        • MooCloud_MattM MooCloud_Matt

          @robi
          Not that I remember, but I'm not actually the CTO, so in some cases i just know of the production / future production ready solution that we are testing or using.
          I don't keep up with all the project that we test or try.

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          wrote on last edited by
          #31

          @moocloud_matt Okie.. if you get to ask him, see what else he's tried.

          Conscious tech

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            msbt
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            Hey everyone, hope it's ok if I chime in here and ask if anyone has built something in this direction. I'm asking because I got approached to host a static site (basically html, js and a few smaller images) which has trafficspikes where 50k+ users will try to access it for a short period of time and then mostly idles again. How would you go about that, is this doable on Cloudron? I did manage to have 100s of users, but 1000s is a different story 😬

            Can the surfer app (being a node server and all) handle that load if there's enough CPU/RAM on the host machine? Or would you rather build a custom nginx app which does nothing but serve compressed static files? Or fire up some smaller VPS, install nginx and use a load balancer to spread the traffic? Any information and suggestion is appreciated 🙂

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            • M msbt

              Hey everyone, hope it's ok if I chime in here and ask if anyone has built something in this direction. I'm asking because I got approached to host a static site (basically html, js and a few smaller images) which has trafficspikes where 50k+ users will try to access it for a short period of time and then mostly idles again. How would you go about that, is this doable on Cloudron? I did manage to have 100s of users, but 1000s is a different story 😬

              Can the surfer app (being a node server and all) handle that load if there's enough CPU/RAM on the host machine? Or would you rather build a custom nginx app which does nothing but serve compressed static files? Or fire up some smaller VPS, install nginx and use a load balancer to spread the traffic? Any information and suggestion is appreciated 🙂

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              nebulon
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              @msbt I actually think for your scenario with mostly static content, you could put Cloudflare or similar in front of that app to sustain those spike times.

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              • M msbt

                Hey everyone, hope it's ok if I chime in here and ask if anyone has built something in this direction. I'm asking because I got approached to host a static site (basically html, js and a few smaller images) which has trafficspikes where 50k+ users will try to access it for a short period of time and then mostly idles again. How would you go about that, is this doable on Cloudron? I did manage to have 100s of users, but 1000s is a different story 😬

                Can the surfer app (being a node server and all) handle that load if there's enough CPU/RAM on the host machine? Or would you rather build a custom nginx app which does nothing but serve compressed static files? Or fire up some smaller VPS, install nginx and use a load balancer to spread the traffic? Any information and suggestion is appreciated 🙂

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                girish
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                @msbt said in Scaling / High Availability Cloudron Setup:

                Can the surfer app (being a node server and all) handle that load if there's enough CPU/RAM on the host machine?

                For static content, this should be quite easily achievable. Have you tried running any load tests? There's a bunch of variables here like network and disk speed. Best to measure the actual server setup.

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                • nebulonN nebulon

                  @msbt I actually think for your scenario with mostly static content, you could put Cloudflare or similar in front of that app to sustain those spike times.

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                  msbt
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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #35

                  thanks for the replies 🙂

                  @nebulon I wanted to avoid Cloudflare traffic, but I reckon it's worth a try

                  @girish I'll do some local and remote http benching as soon as I have an idea what the actual content of the site will be

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                  • M msbt

                    thanks for the replies 🙂

                    @nebulon I wanted to avoid Cloudflare traffic, but I reckon it's worth a try

                    @girish I'll do some local and remote http benching as soon as I have an idea what the actual content of the site will be

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                    d19dotca
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                    @msbt said in Scaling / High Availability Cloudron Setup:

                    I wanted to avoid Cloudflare traffic

                    If you're simply against Cloudflare as some people seem to be but open to other CDNs, I can vouch for BunnyCDN, everyone raves about them and they are very inexpensive too for the offerings. They also seem to be about to launch some DNS packages, I think they're slowly taking direct aim at Cloudflare and seem a little more friendly to use.

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                    • d19dotcaD d19dotca

                      @msbt said in Scaling / High Availability Cloudron Setup:

                      I wanted to avoid Cloudflare traffic

                      If you're simply against Cloudflare as some people seem to be but open to other CDNs, I can vouch for BunnyCDN, everyone raves about them and they are very inexpensive too for the offerings. They also seem to be about to launch some DNS packages, I think they're slowly taking direct aim at Cloudflare and seem a little more friendly to use.

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                      msbt
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                      @d19dotca funny that you mention them, BunnyCDN was the provider I wanted to check out before any other 😄

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                        #38

                        Moving to a K8s is hard for sure, simple things get more complex. But I think that's the best long term and where I see things going at large. Maybe setting it up as a single-node k8s would be easier initially?

                        If Cloudrun was set up to run as a single or multi-node Kubernetes (k3s/rke) cluster it opens the door to tons of cool stuff. You could for example use Rancher/Fleet to manage all your Cloudron/K8s migrations, monitoring, security, etc.

                        I use Rancher/k8s for multi-node / multi-cluster stuff and Cloudron for single system. Rancher connecting to a k8s version of Cloudrun would be the pie in the sky for me.

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                        • Z zappy

                          Moving to a K8s is hard for sure, simple things get more complex. But I think that's the best long term and where I see things going at large. Maybe setting it up as a single-node k8s would be easier initially?

                          If Cloudrun was set up to run as a single or multi-node Kubernetes (k3s/rke) cluster it opens the door to tons of cool stuff. You could for example use Rancher/Fleet to manage all your Cloudron/K8s migrations, monitoring, security, etc.

                          I use Rancher/k8s for multi-node / multi-cluster stuff and Cloudron for single system. Rancher connecting to a k8s version of Cloudrun would be the pie in the sky for me.

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                          plusone-nick
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                          #39

                          Found this recently: https://k0sproject.io/
                          Not sure how much it can be applied to HA Cloudron but it seems promising

                          9fb1524f-bf31-47b5-bab8-0aec93b18637-image.png
                          *edit: apparently the screenshot is from a client called Lens which has a small/resonable license fee

                          "k0s is the simple, solid & certified Kubernetes distribution that works on any infrastructure: bare-metal, on-premises, edge, IoT, public & private clouds. It's 100% open source & free. Get started today!"

                          EDIT:


                          "Lens for the web browser - coming soon" Currently is a desktop app...

                          Lens is also open source and the "free" tier seems like it would fit a majority of Cloudron's users use cases...k0s is free/open source too where as Lens does have a "Pro" version for teams and is only $19.99 a month per user but is not "necessary"

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                          • P plusone-nick

                            Found this recently: https://k0sproject.io/
                            Not sure how much it can be applied to HA Cloudron but it seems promising

                            9fb1524f-bf31-47b5-bab8-0aec93b18637-image.png
                            *edit: apparently the screenshot is from a client called Lens which has a small/resonable license fee

                            "k0s is the simple, solid & certified Kubernetes distribution that works on any infrastructure: bare-metal, on-premises, edge, IoT, public & private clouds. It's 100% open source & free. Get started today!"

                            EDIT:


                            "Lens for the web browser - coming soon" Currently is a desktop app...

                            Lens is also open source and the "free" tier seems like it would fit a majority of Cloudron's users use cases...k0s is free/open source too where as Lens does have a "Pro" version for teams and is only $19.99 a month per user but is not "necessary"

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                            @plusone-nick nice fine. You tried it for anything?

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                            • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                              @plusone-nick nice fine. You tried it for anything?

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                              plusone-nick
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                              #41

                              @marcusquinn not yet, plan on dabbling with it soon though. Another interesting project where I actually found k0s: https://elest.io/ learned of elest.io from the Penpot team lol

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