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Is it possible to host Cloudron on a Jelastic-powered cloud like Hidora?



  • Jelastic-powered clouds automatically scale your application vertically and horizontally based on the demand on resources. Works wonderfully with the dockerized private-instance of JitsiMeet that I run on it.

    If a Cloudron instance were hosted on a cloud like this, wouldn't it also help the Cloudron instance (and its active apps) automatically scale as per resource demand?

    Any thoughts?



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  • I don't think you could run cloudron on a service like this (for those who don't know it, it's basically a Heroku clone).

    The problem is, the point of these services is to run a single app, and manage it. In a few words, too much magic to run more than very simple apps ^^


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    Never heard of Hidora but if it's like Heroku then Cloudron cannot run on top of it.

    Does your jitsi instance actually scale horizontally or did you just manage to run it as a single Docker instance? I would be pleasantly surprised if it's the former. Scaling apps horizontally even for popular ones like WordPress is quite hard.



  • @mehdi said in Is it possible to host Cloudron on a Jelastic-powered cloud like Hidora?:

    The problem is, the point of these services is to run a single app, and manage it. In a few words, too much magic to run more than very simple apps ^^

    I meant to refer first to their "autoscaling" VPS offering where the CPU/RAM seem to scale automatically.

    The underlying tech that makes this possible is from Jelastic. This is how they differentiate themselves from AWS and Heroku:
    Hidora vs Heroku.png



  • The tech here is from Jelastic.

    @girish I have set JitsiMeet up to scale both vertically and horizontally; the search starts from tomorrow to find enough users to load it and actually make it scale!!! But I know people who have started with a similar small instance of Jisti and scaled it vertically - on demand - to 40+ users with great success. No need to start with a 4CPU/32GB RAM VPS to achieve this.

    And here is another business using the same underlying Jelastic tech to offer Jitsi and BigBlueButton meetings - of varying sizes - by the hour! It follows logically!

    There is a large overlap between the important Cloudron apps and their "easy-to-install, autoscaling" apps: Nextcloud, Gitlab, Mattermost, Jitsi, BigBlueButton, Redmine, WP, Ghost, etc

    From these two screenshots, its clear they clearly scale WP very well:
    Jelastic WP1.jpg Jelastic WP.png



  • @oj looks interesting, thanks. I think to run Cloudron on something like this though we'd need to find a provider who offers a Jelastic VPS with full Ubuntu that Cloudron could be installed on... Have you found any?


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    I could be wrong but those look like PaaS templates (sort of like docker compose files or even the newer k8s helm templates). Installing things with lots of interconnected components only gets you 20% though. Someone has to understand what it installed, maintain this, have a backup system, periodically update this, apply patches etc. This is why I think they target devops and are selling infrastructure (as in, they are not selling "scalable wordpress").

    Of course, if they do all that, then it's a very good solution for hosting scalable apps. At least with Cloudron, our goal is not to install jitsi for 500 users or wordpress for million hits per day. Those products have to be priced very differently and have very different solution/architecture as well.