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@nebulon If I understand the dynamics introduced by an open source licence like AGPL, someone having the access to the source code, and in fact having the source code, does not make them a "user" of Cloudron. They simply have the software and can install it and do whatever. But when they have problems, as they surely will because of Docker, where will they turn to? Most likely the original creators of the software... and when you and @girish can't help because of other time constraints, I can imagine the complaints and badmouthing that would follow. This would potentially have the effect of Cloudron (the subscription service) getting a bad name, losing customers, and eventually going out of business. So it makes sense to me that you've tightened up the licence so that the amazing user experience can remain intact and manageable.

I am not an open source purist, starting from the fact that I have no control over the VPS I rent on which I run Cloudron. It is, as someone in your chats said, a compromise for a purist. For the rest of us who don't want to pay an opaque behemoth company anything, Cloudron is simply the best. And it has the open source spirit, if not the correct licence on every bit of code. And importantly, the software actually works, a theme that I've repeated a few times on different threads. I applaud the Cloudron team for making decisions to enable them to keep the software open AND working.

Most of the apps I install on my Cloudron rarely change from their location, or, their initial domain name. The auto-backup feature is fantastic too (I'm using Scaleway).

From time to time I do turn off apps, partly for space reasons, or to make room in RAM while I try out a few other apps. Before doing so, I like to backup just that one app I'm going to turn off. I've then had situations where, after some time has passed, I'll forget if I did back up this or that app, but I have to admit, trying to look up the long convoluted name (which is thankfully possible in Cloudron) and then finding the same in my Scaleway backups, to verify, is tedious enough that I take a chance and don't back up, or I just back up again and thus use up space that wasn't needed.

What would really speed things up for me is if the backups for each app (both individually backed up and when part of a full backup) could include the location (the domain, or a truncated domain) and the name of the app installed. The backup name is already helpful by including the date 2021-03-08-220003-295/app_4145s2c0-hbs57-2g8n-kiw3-2h89si6d82y9_v0.4.0. But, maybe this is just me, keeping track of which domain+app has which long convoluted name is a bit of a hassle. A backup name like 2021-03-08-220003-295/example-com_vikunja_v0.4.0 would make things sooo much easier for me to quickly visually check, verify, and find backups.

I also tend to prune existing backups in my Scaleway buckets by hand, and a naming convention like this would be super helpful for me to be able to immediately see which app is where and has been backed up how many times and when most recently.

NOTE: I've just discovered that in the Backups pane of an apps Dashboard I can download the most recent backup configuration (Download Backup Configuration), and this configuration json file INCLUDES the location in brackets at the end of the filename, like so - app-backup-config-2021-03-09-08-14-31 (subdomain.example.com).json! -Including that location in the backup file name too would be super helpful.

You already have the option to install apps from others in a general sense because of Docker.

I pay for Cloudron not just because it is Docker-based, but because of how easy the devs and admins and owners have made it to use. I think adding unsupported apps to the mix even more will distract from the appeal of Cloudron. The extra apps that are available are there because the app is in the pipeline to being added to the official Cloudron store; they have been/are being worked on by people who like the Cloudron approach and want to add to that, and not to a Docker-experience in general.

The price jump from no-support to support with nethserver is a huge jump from 48€ to 250€! I think Cloudron has a good pricing structure because they have limited what they have to support. To address one of your first points, I left Yunohost exactly because of how many low level quality apps that they have, and all the hassles and problems that approach introduced. I wouldn't want to see Cloudron go that route. I like the line being thick! I am already receiving all that I hope for from Cloudron.

All that being said, I think we already have a pretty good 'community repository' of helpful users and super helpful admins. For anything that I want to do that is beyond what Cloudron offers, I just tinker away on my other VPS.

Yes, and no. I followed Digital Ocean tutorials, and others from different sites, and conceptually there was a lot I didn't understand. This was challenging when something broke and I didn't even know what happened. But over time the tuts made more sense, the terminology was sticking, the concepts became clearer, but the amount of work and time needed to maintain and monitor the server didn't decrease much. The new Ghost works really really nice compared to how it started, and if that is all you will have running on the $5 server then you should be fine. Just always make backups of the Ghost app and assume at some point something will go wonky, or you will even get hacked, and learn from the experience. Restore from a backup and get back at it.

On top of the server though you have domain/DNS issues to understand and maintain. This can be tricky too, but over time it all gets clearer.

That said, using Cloudron is such a treat. Because I tinkered around on my own for awhile, I now better understand what Cloudron is doing, and how and why, and so it makes it that much nicer to use. But if you are starting from zero, then it is still a great way to get your Ghost site up and running. You could always familiarize yourself with webserver things locally while using MAMP or LAMP on Linux or...XAMPP (or whatever the windows version is called); and get used to servers locally with VirtualBox or VMWare and spin up an Ubuntu image and use it as a test server.

I will add that using Cloudron to run a Ghost app is advantageous in that you will also have the option for the built-in email server, and the option to install other apps that use Apache rather than nginx, or for that matter, php instead of nodejs; I still find it challenging to run php apps that would usually run well under Apache on an nginx server if the main app is a Ghost app, and vice versa, getting a Ghost app to run under Apache so that the other php apps can remain undisturbed. Cloudron makes this mixing of apps seamless.

As I've been looking for WhatsApp replacements I came across Beeper. Now, it doesnt' actually replace WA; it is however a pretty nifty looking unified chat hq, built on Matrix, and it self-hostable. They even provide a great Ansible playbook over at github - https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy.

Just to repeat myself - this doesn't replace any chat services, but it provides a way to use many different chat services in one interface. I've tried things like this back in the day and never really liked it, but for some reason this one looks promising, probably because it's based on Matrix, which is something I'd like to use more anyway, and see wider adoption.

Looks like it is pretty much ready to plug in to Cloudron too, but those with the skillset!

I love Cloudron. I love the increasing number of apps offered. But will there eventually be too many for the Cloudron team to manage? I'd hate to see Support quality, or quality in general, decrease just for quantity. If there is to be a limit, how will it be determined? By install number? By usage? By active maintenance by the git repository/project owners (not Cloudron)?

Last week I was about to ask anyone their recommendations for an audio app. A quick search of the forums didn't turn up anything specific. So, I thought I'd install the 4 above and give them a try, and report back.

I did not try Jellyfin this time as I had previously tried it out on my cloudron and it slowed everything down (about 6 months ago?). Who knows if its better now; I just want something that works.

That is the gist of my requirements: Does it work? Can I install it, and then move my music into it, and play it, with minimal hassle. Features weren't necessarily the most important. Here is what I found.

• Ampache: I was actually looking forward to this being the winner. I've known about it for a long time, and was excited to see what it could do. Alas, despite several tries, and even checking out a few posts on the forums here, I could never just upload my 31 files (30 songs and a playlist file) and get them to play. I couldn't even get them to appear in the library! Sure, more troubleshooting may have solved the problem. But, my criteria was not, "Which app will take up the most time troubleshooting and consequently result in the greatest satisfaction that I persevered and made it work." So I turned off Ampache.

• Emby: This one seemed promising. The First Time Usage clearly showed me where to place my files. Like Ampache, I made sure the files were owned properly. I uploaded my 31 files... but they also never appeared in the Emby dashboard. Give me a break. Why should this be so hard? Sure, there is probably some "trick" to get this to work, but I'm not looking to become a magician just for my music.

• Koel: Cool logo. Cool history. Seems less cluttered than the previous two... maybe this would be the one. Like Emby, I could see where the files are supposed to go. I put them there. Unlike Ampache and Emby, I could actually see my individual songs. BUT, they weren't playable per album! Surely not?! But yes, even though there was a view for Album, I never figured out how to play one entire album. I could have made a playlist, but hello, I'm pretty sure Play by Album is a thing in the music app world. I did not have time for this. So, I turned off Koel. Bye bye slick interface. I just want to install an app, upload my music, and play it (by album). Is this so hard??

• Navidrome: The last contender. For some reason I kept thinking of Mel Gibson and Tina Turner in their seminal Mad Max movie, Beyond the Navidrome. I was expecting yet another battle, in a navidrome, to get my music uploaded, visible, and then playable (by album). I installed it, read the First Time Use, uploaded the music, fixed ownership, started a rescan in the app, and what do you know... there was my music. I could view the 30 songs in various ways. When I wanted to play the entire album I just clicked on the recognized playlist file, then pressed PLAY and all the songs played! Hallelujah! Navidrome was the winner. Everything just worked. I listened to my music for hours. I will be uninstalling the other three and sticking with Navidrome.

NOTE. I did this a few days ago. I have quit my browser, obviously, and just went back to my navidrome install to resume my music heaven... but it was asking me to (re)make an admin account? What? I already did that, it was already working. Fortunately there is a solution in the Cloudron forums, and I had to login with an incognito window, but, it was all there and it was all working.

I should also add, to be as clear as possible, that "Play by Album" actually doesn't seem to be a feature in Navidrome. At least, not the way I arranged my album. My album is a collection of songs downloaded from an auto-generated YouTube playlist using 4K Video Downloader. 4K includes an option to generate a m3u file when downloading a playlist. So it was this m3u file that Navidrome recognized and displayed, and let me play my "album". Since I get most of my music these days in a similar way, the m3u file recognition was the best part of Navidrome.

As I mentioned, this wasn't a feature comparison, so I don't intend to insult or disparage any die-hard users of the other apps here, nor denigrate the creaters. I just simply wanted to install the app, upload the music, and play it. In this respect, on my setup, using minimal troubleshooting, only Navidrome met my expectations. You may have better luck with your installations; your own Navidrome install might not work! But if you too are looking for a music app that just gets installed, and gets playing your music, I suggest Navidrome.

@seeker Just be sure to take advantage of the auto-backup feature of Cloudron, and you'll be fine. One of my backup destinations is the free tier of Scaleway Object Storage, where you get 75GB free.

Plus, every now and then, pay for a cheap VPS for a few dollars a month for just the month, install cloudron on it, use a spare domain, and practice restoring from the backup. Then if something really goes wrong your panic level will be lower since you know how to restore from a backup.

You could install LimeSurvey and give it a try for all of us!

The replies seem to be coming more from developers lately, people who have skills enough to contribute, who also hold strong beliefs about open source. This is good, and by and large it is pleasant to see an overall positive approach to Cloudron.

I am a non-developer, but am also someone who likes the idea and principle of open source. I want to get away from proprietary apps and data lock-in. From my perspective, Cloudron has been an incredible way for me to learn about and access a plethora of open source apps, the delivery of which just works! I hope the various principled devs out there can appreciate a users perspective like mine, and just how radical Cloudron is. I've tried other open source attempts, and frankly they are all lacking in deliverability; checking out their forums reveals not even the devs can figure out what went wrong when something does; and rarely it seems are the project heads in the forums, like the Cloudron Team is, since the resolution of any problem relies on the upstream devs pushing fixes that may or may not come in time. What a mess for a user like myself, and I think there are many many users like myself. I think we are one mid-layer that will help make open source more understandable, reachable, and friendly, to all our non-techy families and friends, they who think only of Skype, Word, Facebook, but themselves are increasingly becoming disgruntled. They will never read certain /r/ nor news.ycombinator.com articles, but they will listen to me when I set up an open source chat instance, using a vanity domain, with email, on Cloudron, and it just works!

Another positive aspect of Cloudron's approach is that they don't try to cloak the open sources apps they offer as though they are something the Cloudron team created. I've come across a few such endeavours, and it worries me when I think there are regions and countries that think ****blog, *****forms, *****pad are all made by *****soft! It verges on deception, even though, after some digging, a user can find out that the software is actually made by other open source efforts. I hope this means that as more people hear about Mastodon, or Element, or booktype, etc., and look for options, they will be led to Cloudron. I for one came because I couldn't for the life of me get Rocket.Chat, Taiga and SOGo all running on the same server, by hand. Not a problem for Cloudron!!

Keep it up!!

@jdaviescoates I went back and read a link you shared, a convo in a Mastodon instance, by someone who seemed to brush away Cloudron's approach and mindset automatically. I wouldn't take that opinion expressed in such a way seriously, especially since they didn't in any way outline exactly how they can see Cloudron managing or limiting access. I mean, the first and most important part of Cloudron is that we host it ourselves on our own servers and backup things to destinations we control.

Somehow the negative viewpoint (not saying this is yours) that Cloudron has benefited off the back of open source projects ignores all that it conversely has done to broaden each projects exposure, without (I assume) asking for financial renumeration from those projects for doing so, nor excluding projects if they won't pay up. I think if Cloudron went that way then a negative view of Cloudron would totally understandable.

I can take a step back and look historically at all the times I tried to self-host something, and got stuck, with minimal help from said-project's forums, and came away with nothing, and remember thinking, "I'd pay some one to help me with this!"... voila, that is the role Cloudron has played. I share your enthusiasm for this project!

Like you (in the mastodon thread), I tried Yunohost and Sandstorm and the like... just too many complicated problems that no help from forums could provide. They always forced me back to doing it myself: I've had a heck of a time trying to get nginx and apache running on the same server; I've never successfully gotten docker or docker-compose to seamlessly add services or apps to an existing two-app setup (mysql and wordpress) even though it is supposed to be so incredibly easy (even with the promised answer of portainer). I can setup and run a basic VPS running LAMP... going beyond that.... I am soo thankful for Cloudron!

I wonder if the licencing can play a role in how much ownership @girish and @nebulon and the Cloudron team feel toward their code and their subsequent "responsibility" to keep it running well. I mean, if it were as open as can be, and others started forking it and running it and offering their own specialized subscriptions for their version of Cloudron, I could see that there would be some run-off of problems and complaints back to the Cloudron team that this or that isn't working on Fork A or Subscription Service D, and then they end up maintaining code for ideological reasons rather than offering and improving a service for productivity and (user-)independence reasons.

@jdaviescoates Do you mean selling the web service as Cloudron software, meaning, the client knows that they are paying for a Cloudron installation? Or do you mean selling webservices based on a self-hosted Cloudron? I have about 4 clients Wordpress sites hosted on my Cloudron, but none of them know how their Wordpress site is live, nor do I think they'd be interested necessarily to know about Cloudron, per se. I do have another client whose Wordpress site I've set up on a Cloudron install that will likely remain dedicate to just their site (because they may want email and chat options), so at some point I think I'll introduce them to the Cloudron backend.

Personally, I've been aiming to promote self-hosting, and totally see Cloudron as being an integral part of that to the clients I'm working with now, and and future ones. In some ways I might be losing income in that I'm trying to empower these users to eventually run with their Cloudron install on their own, but I also see that the service/maintenance/training side of things will probably still be needed.

@drsum1 This has made me very curious. Could you share other services which do allow for more than one instance/more than one installation? I took a look at the pricing page and sure, it doesn't specifically say that the price is for one paid Cloudron instance on one server... but I'm curious what precedents could have led you to even think that more than one VPS could be possible. And if so, I'd be curious to check out whatever other services you've used that do price like that.

I'm just thinking digitally here, but most fonts, Wordpress themes and plugins (and other paid themes and plugins), etc. are for one installation/project. Paid graphics, audio, various media can be used however many times in many different projects. Other projects like Yunohost and the like (the paid versions), as far as I know, also price it per server.

Anyway, like I mentioned, I'm curious what you've been using that allows for mutiple installs because I'm always on the look out for good software (often paid) that can be used in lots of ways. Thanks!

@marcusquinn Now that's a name I haven't heard in a loong time - Hed Kandi. I'm off to YT to see what gems might be there. In the meantime, here's my workstation. Just a 2015 MBPr running Windows, external monitor, nice headphones, handy masks in case I need to mask myself quickly, extra tablets and devices laying around for prototyping. I would like a second external monitor, tried to suggest to my wife that that would be a super Valentine's Day gift, but no luck.

Holy moly, looking up Hed Kandi on YT brought back a surge of memories, with Ministry of Sound being featured on that page, which then reminded me of deephousenetwork.com - 19 years ago I had been traveling to HK a few times a year for a project, and I'd found this internet cafe (going to google maps to look it up...) near Jordan and Nathan, and I'd groove out while working all night. Ah, I miss HK. Haven't been there now in about 7 years, and I fear it won't be like I remember whenever I do get back.

@murgero said in "Searching toots by their content is not enabled on this Mastodon server.":

https://relay.mastodon.host/inbox

I've entered the url and was almost immediately listed in the "List of 286 registered and active instances:" Thank you!

You can add as many domains as you need from your Dashboard. Under your username is a dropdown menu (1), and in that you will see an option for Domains & Certs (2), and from there you can enter in a new domain, sometimes using a handy API from a registrar. Of course, you have to have set an A record for the domain(s) you are adding (do this ahead of time for it to work seamlessly).

Or, in the App dashboard, you can simply add a subdomain if you want to keep just one domain. So, mastodon.example.com, or chat.example.com, etc.

Dashboard

Domains

Enter domain name here

Hi!
I maintain my Cloudron and have several sites (mostly Wordpress) hosted on it for clients. They are located in all kinds of time zones.
This morning (for me) I saw that there is the 6.0.1 upgrade available, which requires a restart I imagine. But before I do so, I wondered if any of my clients are on their sites doing something. I've tried before to send a quick message, but they don't always see it in the timeframe I'm hoping for.

Soooo, if there a way for me to see if an app is "in use" from my Cloudron dashboard? Could there be a way for this sort of activity to be viewable, either a feature added by the Cloudron team, or a WP plugin that I could install and thus monitor the sites that way?

Thank you.

It’s been awhile since I last tried this app.

Would having a Cloudron based Kopan’s Meet install in a vps with 4gb ram work (it’s a RackNerd VPS, fwiw)?

I’m trying to convince some friends to get off Zoom, so I’m tasked with providing an alternative. I’ll give Kopana Meet another try.

@SirFiChi I just stumbled upon this and came here to add it to the Wishlist, too. Seems like it would be a good fit for a LAMP-installed Moodle.

Looked great. Sorry I couldn't make it, I was swimming in the ocean with my kids.

Yeah! This would be nice.

Amazing! You are all simply amazing!

@doodlemania2 Keep up the good work!

@jdaviescoates I used https://wordpress.org/plugins/all-in-one-wp-migration/, moving a wordpress app from a regular LAMP stack install to my Cloudron, and it went very smoothly. Size of the *.wordpress file was over 500MB but it went well.

My suggestion might be applicable to a few people: I like to try out the various apps available on the Cloudron App Store and often reuse a domain to do so. Currently I have to click on the installed app square, scroll down to Uninstall, which is the 11th option to the left of the info window, Uninstall, then go back to App Store, choose an app, then choose the install Location, and then wait for it to install, then either make a new login or am assigned a new login for that app.

What would be really nice is an 12th option called Switch (or Change, or whatever). While I am in the app window which displays the current domain/location, I could choose Switch, and a mini App Store appears in the box, and I can click on one, and click the blue Switch button. This then would start a process of uninstalling the current app, deleting caches or whatever the normal Uninstall process does, and then automatically installs the new app.

I have no idea how complicated it would be to then also preserve the user info, but if possible, then I could keep using the same email rather than having a new one, and this would also help me keep my password manager tidier - no more multiple copies of sign-in info for the same domain.

If it doesn't or can't happen, I understand. There are probably more pressing upgrades needing to done, and I am a happy Cloudron user anyway. But, this would be super handy for me since I often switch out apps using the same domain.

@luckow I'll give it a whirl and let you know....

I've uploaded the zip (Drupal-9.1.4.zip).
Then I just went to the url.
Had an immediate error: The directory sites/default/files does not exist, so I made it, as well as the copying the missing settings.php.
I then had to change ownership of the files directory, recursively.
Then the changes were recognized by the web installer and I went to the next step.
I entered the MySQL info from the LAMP-provided info, and the next install step started.
I was then brought to the Configure Site page, entered all the details, pressed ok... and

The same message you received!

So, I thought I could trick myself into the site and so I appended an admin url to my domain, /admin/config/system/site-information, and what do you know, my site's admin page loaded.

Interestingly, none of my details which I entered in the Configure Site page were displayed, and the home page was actually https://mydomain/node, so I removed the /node.

I then tried to visit the root domain but got a new url, https://mydomain.com/user/1, so something is still out of wack.

I then shortened the admin url to just /admin, and that page loaded. In fact, I could change the theme, and do a bunch of stuff, so Drupal is installed. It might be a permissions thing, so I am going to post this for now while I look around more.

OK, my site is now working. Unfortunately I did a few steps, any of which may have done the trick.

Going in reverse:

Someone at https://www.drupal.org/forum/support/post-installation/2016-12-06/the-website-encountered-an-unexpected-error-please-try suggested appending /update.php to the root domain as a means to trigger some kind of refresh or update. I did it, and it seemed it was basically a database update. Once it was finished, my site was accessible.

However, before that I hand-tweaked the settings.php file, and activated a few settings:

3. #$settings['config_sync_directory'] = '/some/directory/you-chose was like this, so I removed the # and added the actual config sync directory. Seemed important.

4. I removed the # from $settings['allow_authorize_operations'] = TRUE;

5. I removed the # from $settings['file_public_path'] = 'sites/default/files';

Any or all of these steps might have done the trick, but I only restarted the app and checked if it was loading after adding /update.php to the domain, https://mydomain.com/.

For what it's worth, I tried restarting the app several times from the Dashboard, but strangely enough I couldn't tell if it had or not. After I had edited those 3 above, and before I added /update.php I had restarted the app from within apps File Manager window - there are three horizontal dots beside "UPLOAD" which give you three options, one of which is Restart App. I restarted the app from there and there was an immediate header at the top of the browser window telling me the app was restarting. Maybe it hadn't before.

Drupal voodoo.

@fbartels Super! I'll be there!

@avatar1024 Hi @avatar1024 , I just went through the install process for Jitsi Meet, thinking it would be different/better than Zoom or Kopano. However, I am not convinced it is. A few things: 1) The other users STILL need to download the Jitsi app to connect. I tried on an iPhone 6, an iPad, a Pixel phone, and Chrome on my Mac and every one needed to download the Jitsi app to connect. 1A) the Jitsi app is not intuitive. The user has to enter the full url of the chat not just the room name. 2) The install (self-installed using https://jitsi.org/news/new-tutorial-installing-jitsi-meet-on-your-own-linux-server/) leaves you with a Jitsi server that is wide open to the internet. ANYONE who finds the url can start their own chat. Switching this to a authentication approach is long and convulated and requires installing Proxody and some other apps and making another virtual host using yet another subdomain... reading https://community.jitsi.org/t/easiest-way-to-secure-jitsi-meet/21330/43 led me to think it was "easy" but I did not find it so. 3) the pixel, iPad (2018) and Mac connected fine... the iPhone 6 couldn't maintain a connection and the app crashed every time, so somehow only newer mobiles seem to work.

The only good thing I can say was the base install went fine, using a OpenVZ VPS with 2.5 GB ram. I wish I could say it is easier or better than Zoom or Kopano, but I haven't not found it so. Assuming that Kopano can allow guests to join with just a browser (and not an app like Zoom or Jitsi), and isn't wide open like Jitsi Meet is (without extra extra extra steps), then Kopano might be the dark horse of self-hosted group video chats.

@scooke Actually, what I meant by that first line was that, because of Docker in general, you can boot up another server and try out all the Docker-based apps you want already! I did that. It wasn't always successful. Cloudron appeared, I signed up early, and everything worked, always. It was wonderful. It still is. And my hope is for it to remain wonderful. Adding too much, too soon, too unsupported, will make it a mess like other attempts.

I had the same experience but was told I was "wrong"... glad more people are bringing this to attention.

serious! Another thanks and thumbs up from me!

@girish Do you want the comments here? All I can say is that this section:

Riot is pre-configured to use matrix subdomain as the homeserver location.

ought to be more evident. Like at the start of a paragraph. It's the sort of essential info that real coders like yourself just know but tinkerers like me don't.

Another line that could use some clarifying is:

SSH into the server and add the record like this

My own impression from using Cloudron is that there is no need to ssh into the server and that using the built-in Terminal is the place to get things done if needed. I followed it literally, but I also think someone could read it and think "they must mean through the Console of the app...but which one, the Matrix server or the RIOT app?" and proceed to get confused because they can't navigate to

/home/yellowtent/boxdata/well-known/

.
Finally, in Step 3, after the line:

If you installed synapse at matrix.example.com, the client should be already able to connect

maybe you could add something like "check Step 1" as a reminder because someone will prob skip it and then get here wondering what's going on.

Finally, thank you again.

@alejandrolengua Which service are you using at Mirhosting?

I'll be honest with you, that is one complicated looking Dashboard! I managed to figure out how to generate a plain old Ubuntu 18.04 environment, but on the free trial I can't have an IP4 address. So I will just continue and see how this goes.

Well, I was trying to install Cloudron on both Mirhosting, and Ultime Hosting (france), but both do not provide IP4 addresses for the free trials. And I don't really want to add funds to these either, sorry. But I can say that it is definitively getting stuck at

=> Installing software-properties-common

and tails tells me specifically:

Configuration file '/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base'
 ==> File on system created by you or by a script.
 ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer.
   What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:
    Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version
    N or O  : keep your currently-installed version
      D     : show the differences between the versions
      Z     : start a shell to examine the situation
 The default action is to keep your current version.
*** base (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? Y

It just hangs here. EDIT: I spoke too soon, after about 20 minutes it resumed.

It seemed to fail again starting Docker.

storage_driver=$(docker info | grep "Storage Driver" | sed 's/.*: //')
Cannot connect to the Docker daemon at unix:///var/run/docker.sock. Is the docker daemon running?

I suspect that, according to the Dashboard, the environment I picked was Docker, and then I chose Ubuntu 18, whatever this jelastic is it already installed Docker in this service. Anyway, I ran systemctl start docker and systemctl daemon-reload, in one Terminal window, then reran the cloudron install script, and this time it resumed downloading all the various docker images. So, progress maybe?

EDIT: FINAL UPDATE
There was another fail, during the openjdk install. I wonder, I had to choose 8 "cloudlets" in order to get 1GB of ram for Cloudron, so I wonder if this is affecting the install. It doesn't sound like it is a physical instance, like a KVM VPS, so I suspect it is having trouble connecting everything and making it work. Maybe you should consider a plain old KVM? Good luck.
(The setup before openjdk was nginx, which completed, but there was a warning :

cat: /home/yellowtent/box/VERSION: No such file or directory
==> installer: Updating from  to 5.4.1 <==
==> installer: updating docker
nginx version: nginx/1.18.0
==> installer: installing nginx 1.18

WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.):

The final errors:

Setting up openjdk-11-jre-headless:amd64 (11.0.8+10-0ubuntu1~18.04.1) ...
update-alternatives: using /usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-amd64/bin/rmid to provide /usr/bin/rmid (rmid) in auto mode
update-alternatives: error: error creating symbolic link '/usr/share/man/man1/rmid.1.gz.dpkg-tmp': No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing package openjdk-11-jre-headless:amd64 (--configure):
 installed openjdk-11-jre-headless:amd64 package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 2
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of default-jre-headless:
 default-jre-headless depends on openjdk-11-jre-headless; however:
  Package openjdk-11-jre-headless:amd64 is not configured yet.

dpkg: error processing package default-jre-headless (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ca-certificates-java:
 ca-certificates-java depends on openjdk-11-jre-headless | java8-runtime-headless; however:
  Package openjdk-11-jre-headless:amd64 is not configured yet.
  Package java8-runtime-headless is not installed.
  Package default-jre-headless which provides java8-runtime-headless is not configured yet.
  Package openjdk-11-jre-headless:amd64 which provides java8-runtime-headless is not configured yet.

dpkg: error processing package ca-certificates-java (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 openjdk-11-jre-headless:amd64
 default-jre-headless
 ca-certificates-java
W: --force-yes is deprecated, use one of the options starting with --allow instead.

E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

You can add me too! @scooke@lenote.eu.

I can't believe I missed this thread originally. I'm up for participating somehow.

I couldn't make out how the last one was actually hosted and recorded (the one by @doodlemania2 ) - did he use his, or someone else's BBB? Croodle? And where is the finished movie of the packaging, for reference?

@YurkshireLad I've played around with it before but was prompted by your question to install it in a LAMP app. Wow. I did not know that it has modules that can expand its functionality, and two of those modules, which are free, are a Jitsi Meet module and an Etherpad module. Note, the Etherpad module needs to link to an existing etherpad somewhere, so it isn't as awesome as the built-in Jitsi Meet! (I should note that the Etherpad app offered by Cloudron also can use a video chat module.)
Anyway, visually it hearkens back to groupware from ages ago, but it looks pretty handy. And not to slow either.

Hi everyone,
I left facebook a few years ago. But continued using Instagram and WhatsApp. Now however, I am looking to leave both. I figure I will host my own Pixelfed to replace IG, but what about WhatsApp? Which chatting app would best replace it?

More specifically - which app would be easiest for my family, friends, contacts, etc., switch to to keep in touch with me, in terms of them installing an app and making an account.

Plus, for me, in terms of making separate channels, or rooms, or whathaveyou, so that disparate groups of people aren't all in one massive chat room. But also separate channels/rooms, that don't necessarily appear as such. So that my family can click a link I send them, and voila, we are chatting in a new environment that's just us, that doesn't show other chat environments.

Obviously, I could trial and error all the apps to find out, but if anyone here has already done this, or just has some good insights, that would help me decide which app to host and start my post-WhatsApp online life.

Much thanks!

I like this feature of 5.3.1 - Do not count stopped apps for memory use!

Thanks for chiming in everyone. In the end I couldn't figure out how to set a destination folder, it kept defaulting to /home/cloudron, but I couldn't determine if that was / on the actual disk, or / within the app. And it just seemed like all the search options were mostly torrenting sites, so I just deleted it. I do torrent, but legit items like large iso's and the like. Cheers!

@jdaviescoates 3 months ago I took a stab at getting this running locally. Here is a link to my steps that I shared on a reddit post. It was tricky, but I got it running. However, when I tried online, both on a VPS (from DO?) as well as Heroku I ran into an authentication problem with Slack... and it seems like several others who tried this had the same problem. I find it tricky to troubleshoot because googling "slack" and "outline" nets you all kinds of documentation for outlining slack!

@jodumont 5pm to 4:30 am - Browse the Cloudron forum?

@onlybro Looks like you figured the name of the Cloudron admin name, good!

These are the only two links I found which seemed to have some method. Overall, it seems the logo is meant to remain the Mastodon logo.

https://discourse.joinmastodon.org/t/how-to-change-the-logos-on-the-front-page-of-mastodon/2704/6

https://discourse.joinmastodon.org/t/how-to-replace-logos/1553/17

I have a VPS with 24Gb of RAM. I have 19 apps. When I look at the Graphs the RAM usage is no more than 5 GB. But when I went to add the 20th app (Monica) I received this popup warning:
This Cloudron is running low on resources. Please upgrade to a server instance with more memory. Alternately, free up resources by uninstalling unused applications.
But my Graphs show that I have 20 GB of RAM unused. Is the warning about spikes or something?

Is it taking into account the RAM requirements for each installed app which would total 29.5GB? Is this why I get this warning?

I've installed this with the LAMP app awhile ago and it worked great. I'll give this new option a try!

@marcusquinn Reddit is as wild as I care to get! No 4chan for me.

@will I was looking for this actually 30 minutes ago! It is in the lower right of the browser window, the footer of the Cloudron admin window, where you can see the 2020 and Cloudron about centered.

© 2020   Cloudron       Forum                                v5.0.6

@marcusquinn This is one of the best Wish List postings in that you included links AND images of the app in action! That alone needs upvoting,

@marcusquinn welp, that was fun.

@Felix One really nice aspect of the modern Ghost is that backups are done within the app but saved to a place you choose. Restoring from that is just as simple (as long as the domain is the same). I've moved three different Ghost apps from three different servers over the last few years and it always went smoothly. I also use the free tier of cloudinary to host most of the media, so the Ghost backups don't end up huge - there are just links to backup! And it is better than semi-decent, they are exactly what the last backup backed up.

@imc67 Hmm, these would need to be installed in the OS, right? https://omeka.org/s/modules/ExtractText/

I've never packaged an app for Cloudron; I wonder how one would include these components?

I have only poked around with SOGO, but I don't recall being able to make new email address from within it.

Does anyone know a way that I can make email addresses, with an existing domain, without also creating Cloudron users?

Thank you!

Who know if this is related, but I had backups start failing a little while ago. I turned off a few apps that seemed to be culprits, and narrowed it down by running backups. If it failed, I turned off another app until it succeeded. Then I turned back on those apps to see which would trigger the fail. Long story short, I tracked it down to some images in a Wordpress Uploads directory, deleted those images, added the app back onto the Backup list, and then it worked. If I remember correctly it had something to do with a corrupted jpeg/jpg/JPG/JPEG (the suffixes matter, sometimes). Anyways, it is a hassle but you might have to do similar sleuthing. This is one reason I use another 'cloud-' service, cloudinary.com. The free tier has been perfect.

@marcusquinn Hang in there @marcusquinn. Bonne courage.

@jdaviescoates Cool, thank you for including the feedback about their engery source. I hadn't included that in my query, but it will influence my decision. I appreciate that, thanks.

@Captain-Kirk Pretty good prices actually. Thanks.

@benoit Felicitations! Super! Merci beaucoup.

@nebulon This is somewhat related, and the answer may already exist - is there a way to have the apps named for the backups? Such as prepending the domain, or the app name, to the long string? I've been in similar predicaments when trying to locate the backup for an app. Obviously, as I've started doing, one answer is to make a list, maybe in excel, of my Cloudron apps, their locations, and the probable backup name (which I gleaned from the Storage window for each app wherein there is a line telling me the location of the app within the cloudron, such as /home/yellowtent/appsdata/4145s2c0-hbs57-2g8n-kiw3-2h89si6d82y9 so that when I am looking for a backup I can compare the lengthy names used. But it would be much faster if it looked like /home/yellowtent/appsdata/location-4145s2c0-hbs57-2g8n-kiw3-2h89si6d82y9.
There is probably some reason, such as location reuse confusion, but I know that would have helped me a number of times. More directly to your question, maybe it would help someone find the Cloudron-based backups and delete them, so including the date would also help, I guess, and thereby clear some room out.

@3wordchant Thank you for dropping in and sharing. Even though the topic here has been "which licence Cloudron uses", I am super keen for people be able to take control over their own data and manage it. I've slowly been disentangling myself from Facebook (actually did this 3 years ago), Instagram, Zoom, and have even started separating from gasp Google. I have Cloudron on more than one server; I even used Caprover*, which, despite its relative complexity, was useful for setting up and testing poste-io, wordpress was a breeze, etc. It is heartening to read your kind and enthusiastic words to the Cloudron team.

*I had to poke around to find the apps available on caprover: https://github.com/caprover/one-click-apps/tree/master/public/v4/apps)

@nebulon Caprover uses Netdata... would that be possible?

@humptydumpty said in Desktop app login issue:

e/api/v1/info

I just checked the same, curious, and received:
{"version":"0.13.1","frontend_url":"https://vikunja.example.com","motd":"","link_sharing_enabled":true,"max_file_size":"20MB","registration_enabled":true,"available_migrators":null,"task_attachments_enabled":true}

I wonder if any of those setting might be affecting your Cloudron app. For example, does "link_sharing_enabled" have to be true? I have no idea, I'm just trying to add to the discussion.

EDIT: I just downloaded version 0.16.0 for Windows and received the same error message. So, I guess it ain't the settings!