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I have bridgebots (mautrix) running on a small 2€ per month VPS and use Cloudrons Matrix + Element. Just Portainer + NGINX Proxy Manager + Mautrix bots. Works well and is really easy to setup and maintain.
Having everything at Cloudron would be a plus but as long as nobody takes the time to package these services...
Begging/Pressure the devs and team for rather niche services/apps to get packed is not the right way ^^
Hey community, I'll give it a shot: I'm a 34 years old sysadmin from Leipzig/Germany. Doing devops, IT support and a lot of hardware tinkering but will be unemployed in 2 weeks ^^ I'm also co-running a large (night)club and participate in some projects around events, arts and the culture scene here.
I my scene there is neither money nor space for business consulting and business solutions but there's a high demand for own, free and flexible IT infrastructure. I have been using Cloudron for about 3 years and helped some projects and freelancers to host their own.
@stantropics said in Vikunja - The to-do app to organize your life.:
I finally solved the sendmail problem. After reporting it upstream I figured a fix with the developer. It is fixed in the latest master. For this reason, the package is setting up vikunja using the master tag - I can change this once the fix is part of the next release.
Many thanks for your efforts!! I want to step away from Todoist and Vikunja was very nice from the start. Making it available through Cloudron is a big improvement for my users and myself.
@nj said in ERPNext - cost-effective ERP solution:
Looks like version-14 of ERPNext does not have HR module.
They refactored the HR and Payroll module into a "new" app --> #31467. Maybe this could still be installed within the current V14 docker app --> ERPNext HRMS installation.
PS: Thank you for your hard work 
From the outside, Cloudron seems like an underdog but I think for most of the people it's good enough. If I compare costs and efforts for hosting and updating apps and infrastruture to what I have to do at the company I work for to do the same (with Ansible, Terraform, Docker Swarm etc.) than cloudron is mind blowing.
Hmm I can't agree with that.
For what cloudron offers, the free tier is unusually good. You can get a Synapse (Matrix) server with web client, backup and email server for free. You can host Nextcloud and Gitlab for free on a VPS that costs a few euros a month. You can create unlimited free small Cloudron instances and thus circumvent the app limit. You get the latest updates and can accommodate all users for a small business there. And all for free. Remember the good old times where there was something like premium apps (like Gitlab) which you couldn't use with the free plan?
The biggest barrier in my eyes is the price difference between the annual and monthly plan. If you want to evaluate Cloudron, the free plan is completely sufficient. If you want to use Cloudron privately, it is a big step to opt for the annual plan and the monthly plan is simply too expensive at 30$.
For companies, it is a no brainer to use the business plan because priority support is very important at this point. 60$ for this is justified.
I have a private (premium) Cloudron and two other instances (also premium) for small companys (sales of less than 500,000€ per year) I'm involved at. If I did not get the opportunity to use a voucher for my private Cloudron to get 15$ with the monthly tier, I would perhaps tend to upgrade the hardware for one of the other two Cloudrons and use their plan instead of creating my own instance.
I am also very against a one-time upgrade option. It is basically a very bad idea to host outdated software and link its safe operation to maintenance contracts (aka one time upgrade in this case).
PS: I have been wondering for a while why cloudron is not expanding as a company. Or do I not notice that? Still feels like a 2 person company + accounting and a few free devs.
@girish see https://matrix.org/docs/guides/types-of-bridging
TLDR: It mimics the user as if it were a native Matrix (or Telegram/Whatsapp/etc) account including all metadata so there is like zero difference for the client (end user).
AFAIK GnuCash is software that hast to be installed on a client PC. What Cloudron does is delivering webapps with docker containers. If you have to download an executable and run it on your local PC, Cloudron is the wrong choice and won't be able to deliver such type of software.
Take a look at Firefly III and Invoice Ninja.
@ekevu123 can you please explain what you mean by "blocks the server"? Cloudron does not block or shut down your apps or servers if a subscription runs out. What should happen is that you lose the ability to install additional apps because the license status is checked during app installation. This should also affect app updates (in theory) but I'm not sure if this is enforced.
@ekevu123 said in Cloudron subscription credit card expired:
For the time the server blocked Cloudron, it would run with maximum CPU usage
This is a bit concerning but could be in correlation with your "apps beeing blocked" which is again, not intended or normal behavior.
@ekevu123 said in Cloudron subscription credit card expired:
I just suggested to do it less radically.
In fact, Cloudron does the complete opposite and if such behavior would be intentional, we would know that.
@nebulon said in pricing too high:
the goal for us is not to spend much time on accounting and invoicing, but rather work on the product.
our business is in enabling self-hosting, not working in accounting
Even if you (Cloudron) would become much more attractive by lowering the barrier for small groups and (single) private users? The field were small self hosting has a real impact because business users have much more options and ressources. 17$ for Cloudron, 8$ for a VPS, 4$ for backup = ~30$/month....not reasonable for single users and also a hurdle for smaller teams/non profits. If you are doing business and involve Cloudron, the price is ridiculously low because support is already included.
The free plan is good for evaluation, development and understanding the product but for productive use limited to two apps, it is not reasonable (in most cases) to run a whole server with it.
For a smaller plan you could:
To end my point: I know I asked this already but if accounting is a pain and you (both) have to focus on development AND support....why not hire someone (part time) to do all the accounting/billing/contracting and maybe communications too? It's not that hard of a job and even if it costs more then you would earn from it, you would save yourself the stress/pain which is, in the end, much more beneficial to yourself AND the product.
I really learned to hate rocket chat. Back then I was evaluating chat software and rocket chat looked very good on paper. It then turned out that the Free/Community edition doesn't support ACL or customizable user permissions although you can set them in the config. That was not documented at that time....as an example...anyone who joined a channel was able to invite anyone, delete messages or the channel itself. Rocket chat was therefore almost impossible to use sustainably.
We've been using Matrix and Element ever since, thanks to Cloudron's great work in providing us with a working solution.
Maybe what I wrote a couple days ago could help you --> https://forum.cloudron.io/post/22472
If your newsletter is marked as spam a lot and your IP gets bad reputation, it is not a risk but a consequence of your actions. Totally fine to use Cloudrons SMTP for mass mailing. However, most self hosted private mail servers have limited deliverability and if you really need to reach your target audiance, you should invest in an SMTP provider. There are many threads all over the web complaining about big providers blacklisting small mailservers just for no good reason.
Do you know about https://www.cloudron.io/store/index.html ?
Can somebody review the code?
@girish what else needs to be done so that it can be released as an unstable app in the store?
Some concerns:
I will wait until the unstable release at the Cloudron App Store and start testing then 
@girish there is no way to trigger certificate renewal over the (SSH) console?
I had a bug (a couple months ago) I never reported where stopped apps did not get a new cert and nginx failed to launch because of outdated/non valid certs making Cloudron brake (no nginx --> no dashboard) on system reboot. Fixed it by just copying over current cert files from working (non stopped) apps. They where obviously non valid for those stopped apps but I was able to start nginx, start the stopped apps and renew their certs.
So in short: Would be nice to have a way to trigger cert renewal over console command and/or extend the troubleshoot guide with cert related stuff.
With SSH and root access, you can take action against security measures such as encryption at any time.
The best change in my opinion was that normal administrators (non superadmins) of Cloudron do not have access to the backup configuration. Otherwise every admin would have been able to access the data (including email) via the backup regardless of backup encryption.
For me as a server admin it still doesn't feel great that sensitive email data is unencrypted on an (external) server. In this case, encryption is just an additional layer, but it helps a bit. Feels like not encrypting your Windows laptop just because you don't trust Microsoft and Bitlocker....
@girish they use better-sqlite3 but store everything in /data ^^ The app is not designed to use an external database connection as far as I can see.
