@BrutalBirdie Might be easier to keep it Jitsi. 😆

@d19dotca No. I'd use minio backup as search terms.

From what I recall, it works fine w/o encryption, but if you set it, it can generate long filenames that fail a backup.

Likely also depends on the Apps you're backing up as some have lots of nested file trees, like Nextcloud.

@Draik yes, custom apps are also included in the app limit.

@scooke I use Kimsufi, an OVH reseller. $30/month get's me:

Dedicated:

CPU: Intel W3520 RAM: 32GB Storage: 2x2TB in softraid Unlimited bandwidth (100Mbit) Dedicated IP.

@girish Thank you.
Not a UI issue at all. Just me not quite understanding.
/media makes sense now.

To me this seems like there is no clarity around domain vs storage location. We have two "locations" here. One is the external referenced location, which is the domain, where the app and thus the data is reachable. The second is the actual internal storage of data, which can be in various locations, like filesystem or database.

So the original inquiry here, at least to me, is mostly about the feeling that "Location" is somewhat related to data location internally within the server? The latter point would be the "Storage" tab in the app's configure view.

I personally would have never thought of changing the domain of an app to have any relation to destruction or losing of data, which to me makes this harder to understand. The domain for me is more like a public pointer.

I am more than happy to change the wording accordingly, we don't need to workaround here to limit the changes in wording.

@robi Thanks for the suggestions.

It has made me all the more thankful for Cloudron, and how it's made Docker more accessible. I've previously used LAMP for my Wordpress, and only, thankfully, once before had a site hacked. Of course, that led to the whole LAMP setup being compromised. I did have backups then too, which helped, but man, seeing that hack spread through my LAMP was disheartening. I had tried to use Docker, and portainer, and such, but conceptually I just could never get more than 2 apps up and running and connected. I came across Cloudron... and voila, it all works, and the WP sites are all self-contained so that if one is hacked, the whole thing doesn't come crashing to a halt.

@timconsidine Thanks

This point you made about it becoming difficult to use a VPN sometimes is a good one. Increasingly, little by little, "they are coming for our VPNs". There are already complaints about this being discussed on social media.
https://teddit.net/r/vpn/top?t=month

Powerful corporations don't want us to exist on the internet anonymously. They are blacklisting commercial VPNs. Ordinary people have started experiencing the problems and are searching for solutions.

Lokinet is one attempt at providing a better solution than TOR (lower latency, no centralized authority). Perhaps that might be an additional string to a CloudronVPN bow.

https://lokinet.org/

@nebulon Can you share the graph or numbers of growth, so we can rejoice too!

@ruihildt yeah I guess horizontal scaling is not the correct term for what I meant. I believe, viewing one Cloudron instance (which may consist of multiple servers in the future) for one organization is what we are aiming for. Not the scaling for multi-tenancy of organizations (the scaling more applicable for SaaS offerings)

@drew In my opinion this combination of a mail server and mail clients is pretty much a "total email solution". What exactly are you missing, what do you need beyond that?

@girish might be I would have to dig into the code.

@scooke said in So cool to see some of these apps. Can you tell where the interest comes from?:

For some of them, like Weblate, do you a way to see where traffic is coming from for them? Like, are there analytics indicating"Weblate searches are coming from companies, or universities, or research labs"? Do you have any targeted advertising for any of these apps on Cloudron, or has word-of-mouth in general been enough? Just curious, no need to spend any time looking it up.

I haven't checked recently but when we checked a couple of year ago, the basic analytics we had was not very useful in figuring this out. Given much of our crowd is fairly technical and privacy oriented, browsers+ad block addons strip the referrer header. This means we don't really know where they are coming from.

It looks like any of the Firebase tutorials can be used on Cloudron by replacing Firebase with NocoDB or Baserow for a fully self hosted setup.

@LoudLemur To your point, someone could create ShipOn.Cloudron.io and actually implement such solutions using Cloudron Apps, showing how or even deploying saved backups for a fast starting point.

Fun and 😎

@timconsidine said in Video Streaming for Cloudron:

@LoudLemur in my understanding, streaming (especially Live) is not so much a question of technology, but of scale and server/bandwidth resources to support dozens, hundreds, thousands of connections. It is necessary to consider use case and scale in order to answer effective performance.

I think you have a pretty good idea of how that should be thought from the basis. So, in this regard, asking oneself for a start, what's the ultimate goal using video streaming or even podcasts or video sharing would be worth spending a bit of time on the question.

As @luckow mentioned about the possibilities and limitations of a VPS using a 1G bandwidth, it is important to keep in mind that for live streaming to large audiences it will eventually take more than 1G of bw output to smoothly scale streaming to such audience, whatever output capacity you have on your server. When you get in the thousands of live viewers even increasing RAM on the server won't be sufficient, it will help but you will need a bigger pipe to push it out. 🙂

OBS Ninja is a good example. Relatively simple to install/host. But how much does it support ? I don't know, but I would guess on most VPS servers or even small dedicated servers, it would be relatively limited.

OBS is used on your local rig and so it depends on your local resources to reach the streaming service server.

I know Peertube has live streaming capacities as well, however I haven't had the time to test it out yet. It would be interesting to learn about anyone else who might have tested this already, and if tested with OBS and well it works, or not lol 😆

Happy for someone to challenge this understanding. Would love to be proved wrong.
Happy to prove you right ✅

OK, so the issue was that the app thinks it's configured for LDAP, but it's not (since it's a public facing instance, we disabled LDAP). I have removed the LDAP panel entirely from the login page. Thanks for reporting @fbartels

Indeed, we use that angular version 1.5.8 and can look into updating that. Generally though I am not sure how one would exploit this in the Cloudron use-case. So I don't think it makes much difference. The only user-content which is dynamic in that sense would be the footer, but if the admin sets a malicious footer, I guess the situation is already an issue.

I think there was a task to integrate better with prometheus or grafana but it got lost. Let me check if we want to do this for 7.2