@marcusquinn said in pricing too high: Hit n run post I am stealing this phrase

Yes @robi, rclone. Sorry!

ok. a quick try. Download https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/justin2028/total-emissions-per-country-2000-2020 Install LAMP (important: give more RAM) import CSV into openrefine export sql from openrefine [image: 1677865408147-0e0699da-938b-4096-9fb4-3f4d9bbd02c7-image.png] import sql export into lamp via phpmyadmin [image: 1677866335741-fd1ff46c-5bb3-4cfb-a82e-b4124d356097-image-resized.png] fire up the filemanager in lamp and look for credentials.txt [image: 1677866445514-b2b2ff22-f824-4c6f-866e-a76c6e2ce58a-image.png] install superset or metabase. in my case adding the mysql credentials into superset [image: 1677866607647-5b95644f-5c44-4977-9dd7-ac7366b387e1-image.png] a click on connect brings [image: 1677866646577-1917edfd-dc57-40ee-b762-6ef1d7685cc1-image.png] et voilà [image: 1677866995925-ec702395-b5b2-4166-9e9e-9d4fae5e7457-image-resized.png] Without being a pro in mysql, this worked for me [image: 1677867222206-7b177fcb-2227-4219-89ab-ae503e43d6f3-image.png]

@RazielKanos The main question is scale; even 200 wp is a small group, especially if you don't let your customer install what they want from the store, and the store that you have don't have custom code in it, that needs to be tested, or are regionals store that doesn't need to scale. And in any case, wp is not modern, it tries to stay up to date, but it is a monolithic software, which means you have disadvantages. Lower security because the frontend has access to the DB, which allows more exploitation. Front-End and backend are together; this doesn't allow you to scale quickly/easily. Plugin compatibility with different versions of PHP. WordPress is terrible in rollback, you need to use a backup. Working on multiple branches is not possible, in some cases not even staging is possible. Maybe in some cases, the advantages (easy to find a compatible provider, plugin ecosystem, easy to find documentation, visual builder) make it a good option for you, but you can't say that is not a hard solution to maintain compared to a JAMstack solution. But if you ask me what you should start with, if you want to build an e-shop, I would go on JAMstack almost in all cases, vue and svelte are super easy to learn and you can do a lot with almost 0 understanding of JS or TS, copy and pasting from the documentation.

@JLX89 my production server with +20 apps is using around 7GB RAM. My home server with two apps is using 1.7GB RAM. IIRC, Cloudron uses around 1-1.2GB alone. Like Tim said, 8GB as a start would be good. You can always upgrade later.

This is already on the wishlist here https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/3956/btcpayserver?_=1677243258644

@girish said in What is this? My My Apps Dashboard keeps returning to itself.: (I think by default most extensions don't run in anonymouse mode) That's normally but not always the case, hence why personally I have a vanilla install of Chrome that I literally only use to see if things work there when they don't work elsewhere (Firefox with a load of plugins is my daily driver, but also sometimes use Chromium for some stuff and have a couple of plugins installed on that too).

@girish Thanks—seems to be working.

@micmc While I agree it's often annoying when all the above is used at the same time on a site you visit, it is also due to a lack of knowledge of what's an ideal UX, but it must also be said that they're used because THEY WORK. I never said It does not work, but its highly annoying to me @privsec no, I don’t build these sites. Sorry if this is the way it came across, did not mean it like that. It was more of a lash out against sites that do that. I did not want to insinuate that YOU are the culprit

@humptydumpty business is done with email, I can't see that changing for a long time. I think best to treat it as if it were an open database, like a forum, because at any time it can be. The bigger issue here is de-platforming risk from moving Ts & Cs goalposts, or not even knowing where the pitch lines will be for the whole game. Just doubles-down on my belief that it's a sensible investment to manage your own email server with Cloudron and your own IP reputation with a dedicated VPS. Over time I see the same deliverability confidence with my self-hosted email, it just takes a little time and organic usage to build the reputation than Google to Google seems to have, or maybe that's just an illusion.

@girish thank you! One more reason to love Cloudron Granular notifications would be nice though

@scooke said in My Cloudron experience: So, you aren't using Cloudron though for your tasks? Nope. Every solution I tried did not work for me. Apparently the CalDAV 'definition' for recurring tasks is not well defined, which leads to tasks not repeating properly when you mark them as 'complete' on a different app from where they were created. Solutions I tried: Vikunja - their Android app is alpha and is not very appealing so far. Tasks (Android app) + Vikunja - Cannot currently get reminders in the Tasks app if you create the task in Vikunja. Tasks + CalDAV + {insert Windows app here} - I tried this a few different ways: Thunderbird, EMClient, Outlook + CalDAV plugin, etc. Either the solution is overkill or it didn't work when I tried it. NextCloud Tasks - no recurring tasks Obsidian with Tasks plugin - still need to play with this more. I don't know if tasks created in Obsidian will trigger a reminder notification in the Obsidian Android app. And for the WebDAv for your Obsidian notes... how are you accessing a Cloudron WebDAV option? Is it through the NextCloud app? Yes, I was previously using Cloudron's surfer app. However, since I ended up using NextCloud as a Google drive replacement and NextCloud provides a WebDAV connection, I went with that. Both seem to work equally well.

The rabbit hole is when you have to delete from backups too. Some people I'm sure try to weaponise GDPR to cost you time and the most inconvenience. (Best not even say here if you think that's the case, they might even try to claim they are identified by implying.)

The instructions make it clear to install it on a clean VPS... so why add non-Cloudron stuff? The reason is not "control", as in Cloudron wants to control what you do with your VPS. That line of thinking is like saying, "Hey, this is MY laptop and I want to use it in the swimming pool to keep cool." The laptop manufacturer isn't going to stop you from doing what ever you want to do with your laptop, but if you want it to work, then follow the instructions! Plus, if someone goes ahead and starts adding this, or testing that, and something will break, then they are going to come here and, at best, ask for help and take up time from actual legit problems, or at worst just complain how Cloudron doesn't work. Clean VPS for installation. Keep it Clean for continued functioning.

@girish I guess you could still have Docker within an LXC container. So all that stuff would work the same, but you'd have a separate OS identity, so just one docker container per LXC containers. I'm just thinking how to enable creating apps for Simple Login, Firezone and similar, where you don't want to share ports or services with other Cloudron apps, but also they are small enough that a separate VPS, or running Proxmox, would be overkill, since resource needs would be minimal.

@jdaviescoates said in Auto-update your copyright year for static sites / surfer app owners: that everything should be free to share lemme see

@marcusquinn said in Which document collaboration software?: I think he's talking about a live editor platform tho. Yup, definetly.

@LoudLemur said in One Cloudron, Many Websites?: What if the cats wanted a discourse forum and then later so did the dogs? That's fine, other than Discourse it pretty RAM hungry. But yeah, I'm running multiple different discourse forums on different domains for different people.

@LoudLemur the only time I've ever had any issue with a Cloudron update the culprit was actually a bug in the linux kernel itself and not Cloudron's fault at all! It pretty much Just Works. That's why we all love it.

@LoudLemur I would not class Cloudron as developer tool.