@timconsidine said in Cloudron vs Heimdall:

@LoudLemur said in Cloudron vs Heimdall:

Is there a good "How to" explaining how to run PHP applications (or similar) on the LAMP application?

Because the range of applications that could be installed is large, I'm not sure it's easy to write a guide. But in overview :

install a LAMP app from the AppStore as normal in the app dashboard (gear icon top right of app tile), use the File Manager to upload the files from the source app you want to add, probably into /app/data/public unpack if uploaded in zip formats FOLLOW APP_SPECIFIC INSTALL INSTRUCTIONS including to use File Manager (or possibly Terminal) to edit any config files re(start) the LAMP app once app is running, delete zip files uploaded

Thanks, that doesn't look too much to try.

Maybe we could create a thread/list of applications which have been tried on Cloudron's LAMP application and which ran well...

@jdaviescoates said in Server migration tips? Need same ubuntu version? Possible to do without downtime?:

I guess I could try:

add the ip of my old server to my /etc/hosts file on my laptop so I can access it again post DNS changes
boot up my old server and run a backup
Then try the restore email thing linked above by copying the relevant files from one server to the other (not sure how exactly I'd do that, I guess maybe with scp or something)

But I wonder if another option would be to

add the ip of my old server to my /etc/hosts file on my laptop so I can access it again post DNS changes
boot up my old server and run a backup
restore this new backup of the old server into the new server (although I guess this could now get messy - what would happen with emails that have since arrived on the new server).

I'd recommend the first option there to avoid overriding any emails on the new server which aren't on the old server. The first steps would be good because then you'd get a backup again you can follow the steps from the docs at that point to restore emails, essentially merging with the new server afterwards.

Definitely will be interested if @staff has any other recommendations though, will be good to know for future.

@LoudLemur this is not an easy feat on our side actually, so I would rather aim to wait for upstream to fix that issue instead of introducing lots of potential corner-cases in our stylesheets.

The db dumps are atomic (it's a feature of the databases).

What's not atomic is if an app does not make database changes in a transaction. Or if it tracks state outside of the database. For example, if it writes some media file to filesystem and tracks something else in database. Outside of disk snapshots, there is no way to snapshot a database and filesystem at the moment in time. Disk snapshot of a database is not very portable and in most cases on cloud servers disk snapshots of specific paths are not an option.

I used to worry about this a lot back in the day 🙂 But hundreds of thousand of installation later, I can tell you that I have never hit this problem (the atomicity aspect).

@LoudLemur said in After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel. The oligopoly has won.:

@necrevistonnezr said in After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel. The oligopoly has won.:

@humptydumpty said in After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel. The oligopoly has won.:

Well, I host Cloudron in my home office with dynamic IPs on a NUC. Outbound email gateway is my very privacy conscious mail provider mailbox.org. For a small family, that’s more than sufficient.

This is the coolest way to run Cloudron, the way that, I think, could bring Cloudron to the masses.

If you ever have time and the inclination and could create some sort of "how-to" video explaining how to solve the tricky parts of accomplishing your setup, I think that could be massive for Cloudron. @girish @nebulon what do you think?

The cool thing: it’s all already building into cloudron! Dynamic IPs DNS (in the network settings) and support for email gateways.

The only thing you have to do on your side is to report your current IP regularly to the domain provider. This happens via ddclient, most commercial routers have a similar function build-in.

@martinkbs Is it known what they use as their backend? Or something custom built perhaps.

Excel > Noco, Baserow
Spreadsheet > Noco, Baserow

BTW, shouldn't we create a public (editable) spreadsheet with all the proper tags for each app? It'll centralize all the recommendations in one place and lessen the work for the staff.

@nebulon does cloudron have a noco/baserow instance? We could use that to list all these tags.

Many apps have the wrong tags. For instance, if you search for "mail", you'll get this:

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@wirkaholic said in surprised about so few votes for internxt #Degoogle:

Internxt seems to be my ultimate Google Killer.

Has a drive and a photo section and encrypts and send files in total privacy.

https://internxt.com/photos
https://internxt.com/drive
https://send.internxt.com/

Provides an IOS App and one for Android.

With SOGO in combination It is a complete replacement for Google, even it has no editor.

Perhaps for one or the other, it is also worthwhile to upvote:
https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/6551/internxt-open-source-distributed-secure-file-storage/2?_=1667934072326

I am surprised at how little support there was here for self-hosted search engines.

This is fixed for next release with https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/commit/3477cf474f32a51c62aef65015e615db62bca4f7

For the other feature request about domains, please make a separate thread there, but I can already say that Cloudron is still designed to work for a setup of one Cloudron per organization and not many maintaining isolated organizations on one Cloudron. This will add all kinds of complexities for the 99% use-cases Cloudron is currently used for.

@wirkaholic I'm not their sale representative 😁 but I believe the only difference in lincenses is whether the use is private or business related

Helpful: Cloudron docs about spam. An addon software that marks spam for the client will help the mailserver identify spam in the future.

@LoudLemur I'm surprised Vultr isn't on there. I'm definitely a fan of Vultr's pricing scales (they have many more instance types to choose from compared to DigitalOcean or Linode) for small businesses / freelance.

@humptydumpty yes, correct. the log is forever. One thing is that Let's Encrypt itself only support wildcard certs in around 2016 or so. This meant that all LE domains before that are public in the log.

@hugoo_souza10 invest in an external backup provider. I would suggest something independent from your actual hoster. You can find suggestions within the drop down list of the backup configuration.

@girish this has been reworked and will not explicitly state if there is no new update available, while hiding the disabled update button again.

I have been using SOGo, and I love it.

I have it set up with mobile (iOS) and desktop (thunderbird) apps, and I use an email forwarding system as well that is working flawlessly.

I set SOGo to be native and default contacts, calendar, and email app and its great

@girish said in DNS: "Domain nameservers are not set to <provider>":

adding a flag to ignore the name server check should be ok. I think we still want to keep the default to checking the name server since this is general/common flow on Cloudron.

Yes please, this would be great. Definitely fair to keep it as a default to check the name servers, but a checkbox to ignore it would be fantastic! 🙂 This would help us in changing DNS providers in a fault-tolerant way by being proactive setting up the DNS records at the new provider.

@girish said in DNS: "Domain nameservers are not set to <provider>":

Did you create Feature request for this already ?

Unfortunately not, I guess I made a bad assumption this would be included from the original discussion I created, haha, I think I probably should have set this as a Feature Request instead. Sorry for not filing that earlier. I went ahead and created one though here for that: https://forum.cloudron.io/post/54948

@privsec said in Admin and support question:

I wish there was a handy video series or something on how to package an app for cloudron

Uhmm not from the staff team but from appdev team by @fbartels

Youtube Video

Gitea I like. Keep meaning to move everything over from GitLab or sync them somehow.

GitHub is almost unavoidable if you want to build community recognition, but doesn't mean you have to give it your best work, which inevitably now is food for AI code-gen.

OneDev looks very interesting too:

https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/5488/onedev-all-in-1-devops-platform (this post could do with more screenshots and the animated Gifs to show it off here) https://github.com/theonedev/onedev https://code.onedev.io/projects/160

The disk usage graph data is only on demand (i.e it is not collected over time periodically).

The cpu and memory data is collected over time. I think what you are seeing here is that the query is taking a long time to load since it requests the data for each app individually. I will see if we can parallelize the queries so that the page loads faster.

@robi said in Mail Clients:

@privsec No deletion happens.
Just install the other mail apps and continue.
The only thing that might

Huzzah!! Thank you

@jdaviescoates Thanks incredibly for suggesting this method! The NodeBB plugin works well. A reboot is required and you need to enable the plugin too.

The calendar application is beautiful: full calendar, with some humane licencing.

https://fullcalendar.io/docs

What might be more interesting is a UI feature or separate web app that can do the following:

Download an App backup (archive) Upload/Restore an App backup Migrate an App to another Cloudron (wizard)

The IPv6 privacy extension is interesting read as well - https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4941 . In essence, temporary dynamic IPv6 is created on the fly to minimize tracking/fingerprinting.

Hi there, each app gets their own set of credentials to access the database. Those are available in the apps environment. For postgres those would be https://docs.cloudron.io/packaging/addons/#postgresql

However this only works across apps, if they run on the same Cloudron, not for external services or apps, since those databases are not exposed publicly and only run in an isolated network on localhost of the server itself.

@girish That's more for SaaS apps and not detailed enough for what the devs you're dealing with need.

So we need a deployment guide, perhaps specific to Github, that takes it a few steps further than the mere setup of the automation that makes it feel done.

The guide on tests and automation is another beast I think, needing a separate resource covering deployments and perhaps another for UIs as that's a whole other layer of QA after deployment.

Maintainability is yet another guide which gets specific to the project, yet is easier if the above two are already addressed sufficiently.

So that's at least 3 separate resources to share so far.

Here's what I found so far:

Deployment Guide Tests and Automation Deployment maintainability could best be approached from your viewpoint which would reflect the needs of Cloudron, and hence suggest you write a few thoughts there and publish it so you can stop repeating yourself 🙂

@subven said in Cloudron migration to new server: amazing!!!:

before it is tested and officially supported

ah indeed, I missed that 22.04 is not yet supported. I rephrase my sentence into "you can directly upgrade to the latest supported OS".

do we need a custom role?

Or a way to decouple email from cloudron?