Hello @zack13532 Glad to read that this solution suits you well. Oh, and since that was your first post. Welcome to the Cloudron forum.

Great stuff! Store version when?

@adisonverlice2 IMHO you're confusing apples and pears - that's the polite expression, there are others. It seems you COMPLETELY underestimate or misunderstand the ongoing work needed to maintain and develop Cloudron, and keep it stable. Cloudron is not providing some hardware, and some base software or reselling / redistributing a 3rd party software (eg pfSense). I completely fail to understand why anyone would agree to receive a single payment for the next xx years work they have to do, unless that is 20x the annual price. I repeat : pay a single fee for perpetual licence for a fixed version of Cloudron ? maybe that might work. Want the benefits of a maintained platform with upgrades, forget it. I've had enough of this discussion, which is IMHO is just plain silly.

As far as I understood this, thunderbird maintains an ISP database mainly. So once a domain was manually configured in any thunderbird, subsequent account setups will have the server addresses auto "discovered" from that database.

@girish nice, happy to hear!

@james I'm TERRIBLE at writeups, but I'll summarize it and maybe we can write something better together if you think it's interesting enough: So I have a cloudron machine with a public IP, vanilla setup. I also have a raspberry pi in my home network running a few services, and an external VPS. I use a "hub-and-spoke" wireguard architecture, which is pretty common and straightforward as well. It is set up like so: VPS has a public IP I installed and set up wireguard in it. Let's say it uses interface wg0, and its wg IP address is 10.0.0.1, network 10.0.0.0/24 I had to set a few things to enable packet forwarding on the VPS so it would act as a "router" between my raspberry pi and other devices, but its pretty straightforward stuff I installed and set up wireguard in my raspberry pi, interface wg0, IP address 10.0.0.2; added the VPS added as a peer with its public key, allowed-ips 10.0.0.1/24, and the endpoint is its public IP and the port I had wireguard listen on So now when I turn on wireguard on both VPS and pi, I can ping 10.0.0.1 from the pi, and I can ping 10.0.0.2 from the VPS. This is the simple hub-and-spoke setup, with the VPS acting as the hub (because it has a public IP address) and the raspberry pi and other devices (say my laptop or phone) are the "spokes". So now for the cloudron part: installed wireguard on my cloudron machine and set it up as a peer to the wireguard network, same as I did on the pi. Added the VPS as the only peer, and on the VPS added one more peer which was the cloudron server. Say its IP is 10.0.0.100 I can now ping 10.0.0.1 (vps) and 10.0.0.2 (pi) from the cloudron server, and I can also ping these IPs FROM ANY CLOUDRON APP as well! I had a service running on the raspberry pi on port 8080, so I installed a new app proxy on the cloudron from the app store, and the upstream address was http://10.0.0.2:8080, and it all worked. Now, I COULD get rid of the VPS and use only cloudron, boith as the wireguard "hub" and reverse proxy. That would be great because it's one less machine I have to pay for and maintain (the VPS), and I would benefit from user management and stuff. Cloudron explicitly says it needs to be the sole service installed on the machine, though (which makes sense, not complaining), so I haven't done this yet. Not sure this is a good enough description, but I'm here to answer any questions if needed.

@Neiluj sometime soon but yeah, I don't have a timeline yet . Also, a note about your initial post, if you mark users as inactive in Cloudron A, they won't sync to Cloudron B. Of course, they can't login to Cloudron A either.

@andreasdueren A workaround is to set 0.0.0.0/1 128.0.0.0/1 in the allow list . This allows the full internet. But maybe a geo block is better - https://www.ipdeny.com/ipblocks/

Looks good! Is this something that needs to be integrated to Cloudron itself, or as a separate app?

@james Perfect, thank you!

Yeah, that makes sense. having a warning pop up before deleting an address that’s part of a mailing list would save a lot of confusion. even just a simple check and confirmation message would do the trick.

Oh I see now it’s in the app title. Sorry completely missed that

Nice thanks

How fine-grained would those have to be to be useful in your case? I am asking, since apps only have limited support for unix users and groups.

@Lonkle last time you were here was like pre-ChatGPT?

I fully support this. I know it’s not the same but you can build something like this in your .bashrc (and a cron script) so you have some info on the terminal. Mine looks like this after I ssh into my server: [image: 1757554341579-img_2366-resized.jpeg]

@james correct.