Zulip - Powerful open source group chat
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@marcusquinn Great one, thanks!
wrote on Jun 4, 2023, 8:42 PM last edited by@LoudLemur Pleasure, love a good technology rant - vast majority of this industry is lip-service and say one thing, do another.
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@scooke I gave up on that quest a long time ago.
People resist anything they think is effort or unpopular. That's why hyper-scaling capitalism has been so successful and every social media platform a business is expected to be on the ones from the hyper-growth capitalism capital of the tech world.
I see people using WhatsApp and Messenger as no different to people that work production lines to make my devices and clothing. Most just don't want to know any different, as then they'd have to be unsatisfied with their status quo.
It's more valuable for business to keep people believing, and do whatever it takes to retain those "users" (ironic term considering it is also common in describing drug addicts), than it is for them to try lesser-known alternatives, regardless of their superior privacy. So you're competing against an industry of global indoctrination as a business model in that persuasion endeavour.
For me it's:
Nextcloud Talk for all business and organisation ventures.
Signal for my friends and family that care about privacy, although that also has its issues, mainly in lack of ability to export data.
Mattermost + Element I believe has some traction with UK Government using it, and perhaps others, but even I found it confusing to get working at first.
WhatEver for everyone else that's too lazy to care about their own freedom and finds more comfort in giving their value to brands.
It baffles me how many people I care about are addicted to diet sodas, too, but regardless of caring, they just don't see the harm, and worse see anyone's attempts to divert them from such perceived minor vices as an attack on their freedom to choose, even if they know it's a junk brand, it gives them comfort because popularity feels safer than healthy to many.
wrote on Jun 4, 2023, 8:59 PM last edited by@marcusquinn said in Zulip - Powerful open source group chat:
Mattermost + Element
Do you mean Matrix + Element?
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@marcusquinn said in Zulip - Powerful open source group chat:
Mattermost + Element
Do you mean Matrix + Element?
wrote on Jun 5, 2023, 11:59 AM last edited by@jdaviescoates Probably
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@scooke I gave up on that quest a long time ago.
People resist anything they think is effort or unpopular. That's why hyper-scaling capitalism has been so successful and every social media platform a business is expected to be on the ones from the hyper-growth capitalism capital of the tech world.
I see people using WhatsApp and Messenger as no different to people that work production lines to make my devices and clothing. Most just don't want to know any different, as then they'd have to be unsatisfied with their status quo.
It's more valuable for business to keep people believing, and do whatever it takes to retain those "users" (ironic term considering it is also common in describing drug addicts), than it is for them to try lesser-known alternatives, regardless of their superior privacy. So you're competing against an industry of global indoctrination as a business model in that persuasion endeavour.
For me it's:
Nextcloud Talk for all business and organisation ventures.
Signal for my friends and family that care about privacy, although that also has its issues, mainly in lack of ability to export data.
Mattermost + Element I believe has some traction with UK Government using it, and perhaps others, but even I found it confusing to get working at first.
WhatEver for everyone else that's too lazy to care about their own freedom and finds more comfort in giving their value to brands.
It baffles me how many people I care about are addicted to diet sodas, too, but regardless of caring, they just don't see the harm, and worse see anyone's attempts to divert them from such perceived minor vices as an attack on their freedom to choose, even if they know it's a junk brand, it gives them comfort because popularity feels safer than healthy to many.
@marcusquinn did you set up your own signaling? I forgot
I've still got my teeny service available if you need an external signaling server.
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wrote on Jun 6, 2023, 5:16 AM last edited by
@doodlemania2 Speaking of relays... I filled out the form for Mastodon, and have been eagerly awaiting approval, but my request from https://social.futurnumerique.com/ is still pending. Is there anything else I need to do?
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@marcusquinn did you set up your own signaling? I forgot
I've still got my teeny service available if you need an external signaling server.
wrote on Jun 6, 2023, 10:27 AM last edited by@doodlemania2 For Nextcloud Talk? I don't remember needing anything beyond the app as-is, but it's running on a decent spec server, so speed and quality have both been good enough that I'd not thought to need anything else there.
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wrote on Jun 8, 2023, 3:03 PM last edited by
My 2 cents: Zulip has a unique approach to organising conversation thread which I find the best, is pretty well designed and easy to get used to for non-techy people. As such it would be a useful app to have and not just a duplicate of others.
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My 2 cents: Zulip has a unique approach to organising conversation thread which I find the best, is pretty well designed and easy to get used to for non-techy people. As such it would be a useful app to have and not just a duplicate of others.
wrote on Jun 8, 2023, 3:28 PM last edited by@avatar1024 +1 generally agree, it has value other apps don't have
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wrote on Jul 1, 2023, 11:51 PM last edited by
Some recent updates related to Zulip:
- Zulip has an officially supported, experimental docker image
- Zulip 7.0 was recently released: visual redesign, scheduling messages, streamlining messages, and more.
More information below:
https://zulip.readthedocs.io/en/stable/production/deployment.html#zulip-in-docker
https://github.com/zulip/docker-zulip
https://blog.zulip.com/2023/05/31/zulip-7-0-released/ -
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wrote on Sep 20, 2023, 1:29 AM last edited by
It's been quite some time since this request (5 yrs) and we've seen RocketChat go from hopeful to unusable.
A neat feature is setting up public access community chat as read-only w/o needing an account!
Great alternative to Discord.
Anyone open to taking a stab at packaging this?
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It's been quite some time since this request (5 yrs) and we've seen RocketChat go from hopeful to unusable.
A neat feature is setting up public access community chat as read-only w/o needing an account!
Great alternative to Discord.
Anyone open to taking a stab at packaging this?
wrote on Sep 20, 2023, 7:39 AM last edited by@robi was RocketChat hopeful ever?
I ended up using Mattermost - the most stable from the main set (Rocket, Mattermost, Element).
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@robi was RocketChat hopeful ever?
I ended up using Mattermost - the most stable from the main set (Rocket, Mattermost, Element).
wrote on Sep 20, 2023, 7:42 AM last edited by@potemkin_ai Yes, we were in contact with their leadership team.
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@potemkin_ai Yes, we were in contact with their leadership team.
wrote on Sep 20, 2023, 11:08 AM last edited by@robi removed them from my trustworthy since they managed to keep MacOS AppStore version, advertised on the landing, out of date for half of the year, after it was reported as an issue on GitHub.
To be more precise, it was a cherry on the cake, the cake was an enormous amount of bugs I've encountered during the usage and for me, that is a sign of malfunctioning engineering culture - you can't fix it anytime soon...
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@robi removed them from my trustworthy since they managed to keep MacOS AppStore version, advertised on the landing, out of date for half of the year, after it was reported as an issue on GitHub.
To be more precise, it was a cherry on the cake, the cake was an enormous amount of bugs I've encountered during the usage and for me, that is a sign of malfunctioning engineering culture - you can't fix it anytime soon...
@potemkin_ai just to be clear, you're referring to RocketChat with your last comments ? (just checking it's not directed at Zulip)
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@potemkin_ai just to be clear, you're referring to RocketChat with your last comments ? (just checking it's not directed at Zulip)
wrote on Sep 20, 2023, 3:07 PM last edited by@timconsidine have nothing against Zulip - thanks for checking in!
Nor self-hosting experience with Zulip either... -
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wrote on Nov 13, 2023, 8:35 PM last edited by
My birthday is coming up... Zulip would be the best gift ever!
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New plans for self-hosted Zulip customers - https://blog.zulip.com/2023/12/15/new-plans-for-self-hosted-customers/
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New plans for self-hosted Zulip customers - https://blog.zulip.com/2023/12/15/new-plans-for-self-hosted-customers/
wrote on Dec 16, 2023, 9:08 AM last edited by@girish said in Zulip - Powerful open source group chat:
New plans for self-hosted Zulip customers - https://blog.zulip.com/2023/12/15/new-plans-for-self-hosted-customers/
I am all in favour of Free Software projects experimenting with ways of finding a viable business solution to fund their endeavours. I wish Zulip success.
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wrote on Dec 16, 2023, 1:35 PM last edited by
Starting today, new self-hosted customers will no longer get unlimited free access to Zulipβs Mobile Push Notification Service.
Is there a plan only for the push notifications?