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    • avatar1024A avatar1024

      Would FreedomBox fall into this? For home server but feels kinda similar.

      https://freedombox.org/

      Thanks @jdaviescoates for compiling that list, and everyone for contributing 🙂

      It's weird, I feel very happy with Cloudron, loves the community and the devs, and well sure some apps are still missing but packaging is happening (and well I cannot complain since I do not code), but the one thing that makes me want look elsewhere (beyond my unstoppable curiosity) is not technical or functionality, but is the damn license which is hard to justify in the world I'm in (and with the fact that I am a free software advocate / activist). I understand the devs reasons for it, and as long as the code is public I can live with it (and kinda justify it), but I really wish it could be done differently.

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      @avatar1024 said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

      Would FreedomBox fall into this? For home server but feels kinda similar.

      https://freedombox.org/

      Added, thanks.

      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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      • scookeS scooke

        I'm running EasyPanel right now, mostly for Rotki. Their approach is two-stepped, in that you have to make a Project; within this Project you can install your own app, or you can choose from the Templates that are already prepared. Templates are essentially "apps". You can also pay to increase the number of projects, for better monitoring, and for DB backups.
        https://easypanel.io/
        https://easypanel.io/templates
        https://github.com/easypanel-io

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        @scooke said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

        https://easypanel.io/
        https://easypanel.io/templates
        https://github.com/easypanel-io

        Added, thanks.

        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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          This is the list of apps hosted on CapRover: https://wizardly-ptolemy-8fcac8.netlify.app/

          A life lived in fear is a life half-lived

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          • scookeS scooke

            This is the list of apps hosted on CapRover: https://wizardly-ptolemy-8fcac8.netlify.app/

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            @scooke said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

            This is the list of apps hosted on CapRover: https://wizardly-ptolemy-8fcac8.netlify.app/

            Thanks, I'll add that to the OP

            I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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              isn't casm workspace like cloudron as well in a sense?

              my website is not available right now

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              • adisonA adison

                isn't casm workspace like cloudron as well in a sense?

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                @adison said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

                isn't casm workspace like cloudron as well in a sense?

                No, Kasm is very different to Cloudron.
                Kasm is a wrapper to launch and run VM's.

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                  The next step is to add a list of apps supported on these platforms using tags.
                  Cloudron is the best, but it does not have all the apps.
                  For example, OroCRM on Cloudpanel.

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                    plz add: https://coolify.io

                    ✌💙+1

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                    • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                      We all love Cloudron because it Just Works and automates/ takes care of so much.

                      As a bit of market research for Cloudron and as a list of other interesting options for people to try/ investigate for deploying apps that aren't yet on Cloudron, let's compile a list of the similarish "one-click install" type services that are out there.

                      I'll get us started:

                      YunoHost
                      https://yunohost.org/
                      https://yunohost.org/en/apps
                      https://github.com/YunoHost/yunohost

                      HomelabOS
                      https://homelabos.com/
                      https://homelabos.com/docs/#available-software
                      https://gitlab.com/NickBusey/HomelabOS/

                      Ethibox
                      https://ethibox.fr/
                      https://ethibox.fr/apps
                      https://github.com/ethibox/ethibox

                      Tipi
                      https://www.runtipi.io/
                      https://www.runtipi.io/docs/apps-available
                      https://github.com/meienberger/runtipi

                      Co-op Cloud
                      https://coopcloud.tech/
                      https://recipes.coopcloud.tech/
                      https://git.coopcloud.tech/coop-cloud

                      Elestio
                      https://elest.io/
                      https://elest.io/fully-managed-services
                      https://github.com/elestio

                      Sandstorm
                      https://sandstorm.io/
                      https://apps.sandstorm.io/
                      https://github.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm

                      CapRover
                      https://caprover.com/
                      https://wizardly-ptolemy-8fcac8.netlify.app/ (h/t @scooke for giving me that list of CapRover apps)
                      https://github.com/caprover/caprover

                      Umbrel
                      https://umbrel.com/
                      https://apps.umbrel.com/
                      https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel

                      Cosmos
                      https://cosmos-cloud.io
                      https://cosmos-cloud.io/cosmos-ui/market-listing (but apparently can do any Docker app too)
                      https://github.com/azukaar/cosmos-server

                      CasaOS
                      https://casaos.io/
                      (I can't easily find the list of apps on CasaOS but it shows them on the website)
                      https://github.com/IceWhaleTech/CasaOS

                      PikaPods (not self hosting, but easy App Deployment to their Cloud Infrastructure)
                      https://www.pikapods.com/
                      https://www.pikapods.com/apps
                      https://github.com/pikapods (docs only)

                      Unraid
                      https://unraid.net/
                      https://unraid.net/community/apps
                      https://github.com/unraid (it's proprietary though, so you wont find the code there)

                      Dokku
                      https://dokku.com
                      https://github.com/dokku/dokku/
                      No list of apps, but "you can push Heroku-compatible applications to it via Git"

                      FreedomBox
                      https://freedombox.org/
                      https://salsa.debian.org/freedombox-team/freedombox/
                      Can't find a simple list but check the demo and manual

                      Easypanel
                      https://easypanel.io/
                      https://easypanel.io/templates
                      https://github.com/easypanel-io

                      Coolify - An open-source & self-hostable Heroku / Netlify alternative.
                      https://coolify.io/
                      https://coolify.io/docs/installation
                      https://github.com/coollabsio/coolify/blob/main/scripts/install.sh
                      https://github.com/coollabsio/coolify/

                      There is also this handy tool by @rosano that lists all the apps available on Cloudron, YunoHost and CapRover https://easyindie.app/ (be cool if it listed all the apps on all these systems!)

                      What else is out there?

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                      @jdaviescoates beautiful list, and thanks to everyone for compiling so many options here. would love to integrate more into easyindie.app (preferably ones that don't require too much command-line setup / management), it's open-source so people can also make pull requests, i can help explain how to add other platforms ☀️

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                      • P plusone-nick

                        plz add: https://coolify.io

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                        @plusone-nick said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

                        plz add: https://coolify.io

                        That's quite different imho (like I would never use it myself as it's really more for developers to spin up their own apps as far as I can tell), but I've added it anyway 🙂

                        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                        • rosanoR rosano

                          @jdaviescoates beautiful list, and thanks to everyone for compiling so many options here. would love to integrate more into easyindie.app (preferably ones that don't require too much command-line setup / management), it's open-source so people can also make pull requests, i can help explain how to add other platforms ☀️

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                          @rosano said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

                          would love to integrate more into easyindie.app (preferably ones that don't require too much command-line setup / management),

                          👍 (yeah, some of them e.g. coolify etc aren't really quite the same ball park imho)

                          it's open-source so people can also make pull requests, i can help explain how to add other platforms ☀️

                          👏

                          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                            Do any of these have a working mail server built-in like Cloudron has? For me, that is one of the USP.

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                            • necrevistonnezrN necrevistonnezr

                              Do any of these have a working mail server built-in like Cloudron has? For me, that is one of the USP.

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                              @necrevistonnezr said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

                              Do any of these have a working mail server built-in like Cloudron has? For me, that is one of the USP.

                              Good question!

                              I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                              • necrevistonnezrN necrevistonnezr

                                Do any of these have a working mail server built-in like Cloudron has? For me, that is one of the USP.

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                                @necrevistonnezr Well, I went through the list for you. Some of them I could have told you immediately because I use them, or tried them. Suffice to say, ONLY https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Manual/Email has the option for built-in email. The rest have no email options, or offer email clients. At best, a few offer the usage of an SMTP server but it is one you must have already set up outside of the environment (like Mailgun, Sendgrid, etc.).

                                ONLY Cloudron mentions email on it's front page, and only Cloudron then makes its setup so seamless and easy as to almost make a user not even realize there is email! And then ONLY Cloudron offers email clients with which one can use this built-in email service.

                                A life lived in fear is a life half-lived

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                                  Found another one, from their description it's an interesting approach: https://selfprivacy.org/

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                                  • fbartelsF fbartels

                                    Found another one, from their description it's an interesting approach: https://selfprivacy.org/

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                                    @fbartels cool! Seems they like Cloudron and list it on their site.. could use a rephrase though as source "available".
                                    https://selfprivacy.org/docs/about-us/team/

                                    Conscious tech

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                                      @fbartels But they need us to use two servers?? One for services, one for DNS. And their site https://selfprivacy.org/docs/getting-started/, for me at least, doesn't actually tell me what I'm installing. But elsewhere they reference cd /etc/nixos so I guess it is based on nixos? Then there isa Linux Desktop app... is this what I install on the server?? Their instructions list

                                      Generating tokens
                                      Installation
                                      Connecting to the services
                                      

                                      but then the text skips the "Installation"... forget it! Cloudron has spoiled me for it's clarity of purpose and instruction.

                                      A life lived in fear is a life half-lived

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                                        @fbartels But they need us to use two servers?? One for services, one for DNS. And their site https://selfprivacy.org/docs/getting-started/, for me at least, doesn't actually tell me what I'm installing. But elsewhere they reference cd /etc/nixos so I guess it is based on nixos? Then there isa Linux Desktop app... is this what I install on the server?? Their instructions list

                                        Generating tokens
                                        Installation
                                        Connecting to the services
                                        

                                        but then the text skips the "Installation"... forget it! Cloudron has spoiled me for it's clarity of purpose and instruction.

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                                        @scooke said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

                                        Cloudron has spoiled me for it's clarity of purpose and instruction

                                        👍
                                        For me too
                                        I've looked at and tried out Dokku, CapRover, CosmosServer, Coolify, Yunohost, Sandstorm.
                                        They each have their good points.
                                        But overall, none come close to Cloudron as a reliable PaaS deployment.
                                        Trying to summon the motivation to try EasyPanel, but the nagging voice in my head keeps saying "but why bother? time is precious".

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                                          @fbartels But they need us to use two servers?? One for services, one for DNS. And their site https://selfprivacy.org/docs/getting-started/, for me at least, doesn't actually tell me what I'm installing. But elsewhere they reference cd /etc/nixos so I guess it is based on nixos? Then there isa Linux Desktop app... is this what I install on the server?? Their instructions list

                                          Generating tokens
                                          Installation
                                          Connecting to the services
                                          

                                          but then the text skips the "Installation"... forget it! Cloudron has spoiled me for it's clarity of purpose and instruction.

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                                          @scooke said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

                                          Cloudron has spoiled me

                                          One of the big selling points for me too.

                                          The way i understood their model is that you install an app on your phone (there is also a desktop app if you prefer this). And this app then provisions a server at hetzner that is installed and configured through nix.

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                                          • timconsidineT timconsidine

                                            @scooke said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

                                            Cloudron has spoiled me for it's clarity of purpose and instruction

                                            👍
                                            For me too
                                            I've looked at and tried out Dokku, CapRover, CosmosServer, Coolify, Yunohost, Sandstorm.
                                            They each have their good points.
                                            But overall, none come close to Cloudron as a reliable PaaS deployment.
                                            Trying to summon the motivation to try EasyPanel, but the nagging voice in my head keeps saying "but why bother? time is precious".

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                                            @timconsidine i'll admit, despite the problems i had with it, it is pretty decent. without it i wouldn't be able to deploy my website, not to mention securely.

                                            my website is not available right now

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