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    • marcusquinnM Offline
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      wrote on last edited by marcusquinn
      #15

      I've just been taking another look at Nextcloud Talk, and I have to say that both the web application and the mobile app are excellent.

      Unlike Element and Mattermost, Talk has the ability to add multiple servers, which is essential for me in managing multiple companies and clients. Plus, it is already using the Nextcloud LDAP integration for Cloudron user management.

      I haven't tried the Matterbridge yet but the concept does look very good and might tick all your boxes for ease of onboarding and security:

      • https://nextcloud.com/de/blog/bridging-chat-services-in-talk/
      • https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/talk_matterbridge

      Highly recommend revisiting and including this in your consideration.

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      • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

        I've just been taking another look at Nextcloud Talk, and I have to say that both the web application and the mobile app are excellent.

        Unlike Element and Mattermost, Talk has the ability to add multiple servers, which is essential for me in managing multiple companies and clients. Plus, it is already using the Nextcloud LDAP integration for Cloudron user management.

        I haven't tried the Matterbridge yet but the concept does look very good and might tick all your boxes for ease of onboarding and security:

        • https://nextcloud.com/de/blog/bridging-chat-services-in-talk/
        • https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/talk_matterbridge

        Highly recommend revisiting and including this in your consideration.

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        doodlemania2
        App Dev
        wrote on last edited by
        #16

        @marcusquinn on the Talk front, we're packaging Nextcloud Talk High Performance Backend, so you should be able to scale up nicely soon(ish) 🙂

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        • doodlemania2D doodlemania2

          @marcusquinn on the Talk front, we're packaging Nextcloud Talk High Performance Backend, so you should be able to scale up nicely soon(ish) 🙂

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          #17

          @doodlemania2 Ooooooo - that is nice! Owe you many 🍻

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          • doodlemania2D doodlemania2

            @marcusquinn on the Talk front, we're packaging Nextcloud Talk High Performance Backend, so you should be able to scale up nicely soon(ish) 🙂

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            #18

            @doodlemania2 said in Chat application thoughts?:

            @marcusquinn on the Talk front, we're packaging Nextcloud Talk High Performance Backend, so you should be able to scale up nicely soon(ish) 🙂

            I'm really looking forward to that! 😄

            I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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            • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

              I've just been taking another look at Nextcloud Talk, and I have to say that both the web application and the mobile app are excellent.

              Unlike Element and Mattermost, Talk has the ability to add multiple servers, which is essential for me in managing multiple companies and clients. Plus, it is already using the Nextcloud LDAP integration for Cloudron user management.

              I haven't tried the Matterbridge yet but the concept does look very good and might tick all your boxes for ease of onboarding and security:

              • https://nextcloud.com/de/blog/bridging-chat-services-in-talk/
              • https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/talk_matterbridge

              Highly recommend revisiting and including this in your consideration.

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              murgero
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              wrote on last edited by
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              @marcusquinn said in Chat application thoughts?:

              Unlike Element and Mattermost, Talk has the ability to add multiple servers, which is essential for me in managing multiple companies and clients. Plus, it is already using the Nextcloud LDAP integration for Cloudron user management.

              I assume you mean the ability to login to multiple servers given the context? I believe element supports this. Mattermost does not sadly.

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              • murgeroM murgero

                @marcusquinn said in Chat application thoughts?:

                Unlike Element and Mattermost, Talk has the ability to add multiple servers, which is essential for me in managing multiple companies and clients. Plus, it is already using the Nextcloud LDAP integration for Cloudron user management.

                I assume you mean the ability to login to multiple servers given the context? I believe element supports this. Mattermost does not sadly.

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                @murgero said in Chat application thoughts?:

                I assume you mean the ability to login to multiple servers given the context? I believe element supports this. Mattermost does not sadly.

                Yup, and stay logged in to get notifications from all servers and easily switch between the two.

                Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                Development https://brandlight.org
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                • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                  @doodlemania2 said in Chat application thoughts?:

                  @marcusquinn on the Talk front, we're packaging Nextcloud Talk High Performance Backend, so you should be able to scale up nicely soon(ish) 🙂

                  I'm really looking forward to that! 😄

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                  wrote on last edited by
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                  @jdaviescoates It's up next as soon as I finish cleaning paperlessng and submitting (today hopefully). You can follow along on my https://git.cloudron.io/doodlemania2/nthpbe

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                  • subvenS subven

                    Mattermost kinda sucked because the community ("Team") version had no system default permission policy and even if configured through config files, permissions were not applied. This means that everyone was able to, lets say...do things that you would not expect at all. See https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost-server/issues/14104 for example. I think they fixed some issues around that, but it tarnishes the shine of what could actually be a good open source project.

                    rocket.chat was the best alternative but even if the mobile client got better, the product got worse over time. Lately they kinda forced you into using their cloud service in order to have (limited) push notifications working in the future. Federation is still in beta and not ready for production. After using it for the last 1 1/2 years, I have mixed feelings.

                    Synapse (Matrix) + Element has clearly proven to be the best solution. I saw a lot of big players move away from Slack and HipChat towards Matrix. Element is pretty good (at least at Desktop) and there are a lot of other mobile clients too. Usability and security is top-notch and except that it is a bit difficult to set up (unless you use cloudron), I saw no real downsides.

                    I would be very happy to replace Telegram and rocket.chat with Matrix but people are known to be sluggish.

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                    @subven You can sponser them on github for like 5-10 bucks a month for more push notifications (which still work without paying, but with a cap) much cheaper than the cloud option, especially if you only need the push notifications

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                      I've tried element/matrix and now rocket.chat. I find rocket.chat to be lightyears easier on administration/moderation then matrix. Admin rocket.chat is borderline enjoyable. Admin matrix was not. Additionally, the users i've talked to about ease of use (caveat only about 10) all preferred rocket hands down to element. Lastly, Rocket has the dankest GIFS.

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                      • M Mastadamus

                        I've tried element/matrix and now rocket.chat. I find rocket.chat to be lightyears easier on administration/moderation then matrix. Admin rocket.chat is borderline enjoyable. Admin matrix was not. Additionally, the users i've talked to about ease of use (caveat only about 10) all preferred rocket hands down to element. Lastly, Rocket has the dankest GIFS.

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                        #24

                        @mastadamus but no dark mode ;-/

                        Conscious tech

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                        • robiR robi

                          @mastadamus but no dark mode ;-/

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                          @robi everything has dark-mode if you use darkreader.org or webcatalog.app. I've not found an app yet it doesn't work as well or better than an apps own dark styling.

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                          • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                            @robi everything has dark-mode if you use darkreader.org or webcatalog.app. I've not found an app yet it doesn't work as well or better than an apps own dark styling.

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                            @marcusquinn rocket chat, desktop app.

                            Conscious tech

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                            • robiR robi

                              @marcusquinn rocket chat, desktop app.

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                              marcusquinn
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #27

                              @robi Didn't know there was one. I'm guessing it's an Electron wrapper like almost every other "app" nowadays? In which case, I already roll my own with WebCatalog for the extra features.

                              Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                              Development https://brandlight.org
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                              • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                @robi Didn't know there was one. I'm guessing it's an Electron wrapper like almost every other "app" nowadays? In which case, I already roll my own with WebCatalog for the extra features.

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                                #28

                                Is anyone still enjoying Rocketchat?

                                Did you move to Element or Mattermost? How has that been?

                                Considering a Rocketchat > Mattermost move, but Matrix also a contender..

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                                • Sam_ukS Sam_uk

                                  Is anyone still enjoying Rocketchat?

                                  Did you move to Element or Mattermost? How has that been?

                                  Considering a Rocketchat > Mattermost move, but Matrix also a contender..

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                                  We moved to element/matrix. Can't say we miss rocket.chat as such. Can be a bit confusing when getting started though.

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                                    We used to be on RocketChat. But with al the changes in the app and restrictions on pop up notifications, we decided to change to Matrix 2 years ago.

                                    Since the change to Matrix everyone is more satisfied with the usage off it. Last I opened up a poll for everyone with the question "should we go back to Rocketchat or should we stay with Matrix?" The outcome was 100% Matrix.

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                                      Same. Was on Rocket Chat but now use Matrix (and Nextcloud Talk)

                                      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                      • Sam_ukS Sam_uk

                                        Is anyone still enjoying Rocketchat?

                                        Did you move to Element or Mattermost? How has that been?

                                        Considering a Rocketchat > Mattermost move, but Matrix also a contender..

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                                        marcusquinn
                                        wrote on last edited by marcusquinn
                                        #32

                                        @Sam_uk Never looked back at Rocket Chat, although it is a decent app for the website chat integration. Much happier with Nextcloud Talk now, though. There's extra benefits from the integration with shared files etc. Apps work very well, including for native multi-person video calls. Happy to recommend it.

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                                        Development https://brandlight.org
                                        Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                                        • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                          @Sam_uk Never looked back at Rocket Chat, although it is a decent app for the website chat integration. Much happier with Nextcloud Talk now, though. There's extra benefits from the integration with shared files etc. Apps work very well, including for native multi-person video calls. Happy to recommend it.

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                                          #33

                                          @marcusquinn said in Chat application thoughts?:

                                          native multi-person video calls

                                          I had a little play with Matrix's new beta video call feature recently too, worked OK considering it's still a beta 🙂

                                          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                            Having an awful time getting a Rocket.Chat workspace off the ground. Stuck in "Wizard" mode, now their registration portal won't grant me access using either password or email (passwordless). Is this typical experience with them? Any recommendations for simple website chat? (Matrix is too much for my user community.)

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