Cloudron makes it easy to run web apps like WordPress, Nextcloud, GitLab on your server. Find out more or install now.


  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • Bookmarks
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse

Cloudron Forum

Apps | Demo | Docs | Install

Cloudron's email server

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Discuss
email
23 Posts 12 Posters 1.9k Views
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • JOduMonTJ Offline
    JOduMonTJ Offline
    JOduMonT
    replied to stantropics on last edited by
    #8

    @stantropics said in Cloudron's email server:

    recommendation or an option

    fine it's an option,
    not a recommendation
    and definitely not a necessity 😛

    1 Reply Last reply
    1
  • MallewaxM Offline
    MallewaxM Offline
    Mallewax
    replied to YurkshireLad on last edited by Mallewax
    #9

    @YurkshireLad I would like to share my thoughts as I have been asking myself the very same question.
    My initial motivation has been to de-google and to become more privacy-conscious. Following the well-known line "When something is "for free" you become the product" I've looked at many commercial solutions, that advertise to be privacy focussed: Mailfence, mailbox.org, Tutanota, ProtonMail, to just name a view. Those are all fine choices.
    Then I wanted to learn more about what's out there in the FOSS space and came across:

    https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted#email

    The below referenced site taught me the "ins and outs" in detail and I really got my teeth into things:

    https://workaround.org/ispmail/buster/

    I came to realize that self-administering a mail server is too much for me.

    In looking at many of the before mentioned "out of the box" solutions like MailCow, iRedMail, Mail-in-a-box, etc. I finally settled with Cloudron for my e-mail needs.

    For me, this is an excellent choice. And while Cloudron does not position itself as a Mail Server solution, it is surprisingly well done. Really well done.
    The interface to set up users, aliases, mail-domains, etc is slick, simple, yet powerful. The backup solution is well established. And the whole thing is integrated into so much more than just e-mail.
    I am not only very happy, but also convinced that I have the best solution that meets my needs.
    I can - from personal experience - highly recommend giving this solution a very hard look.

    1 Reply Last reply
    7
  • M Offline
    M Offline
    msbt App Dev
    wrote on last edited by
    #10

    I really wanted to use the built-in smtp server, but customers complained that mails to Google and Microsoft were almost always rejected, even though cloudron has a perfect spam score.

    Had to switch to sendgrid (had shared ips which were blacklisted), moved to mailjet after that and this seems to go quite well for the time being. But in a perfect world I would go back to the built-in system, because technically it works fine, but those giants forced me to use an external solution 😕

    necrevistonnezrN W d19dotcaD 3 Replies Last reply
    0
  • necrevistonnezrN Offline
    necrevistonnezrN Offline
    necrevistonnezr
    replied to msbt on last edited by
    #11

    @msbt
    I‘d be careful with Mailjet... https://forum.cloudron.io/post/8901
    They don’t notify you when they stop relaying mail.

    M 1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • W Offline
    W Offline
    will
    replied to msbt on last edited by
    #12

    @msbt I second sendgrid. Easy, awesome, free. Bullet proof so far.

    M 1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • d19dotcaD Offline
    d19dotcaD Offline
    d19dotca
    replied to msbt on last edited by d19dotca
    #13

    @msbt Honestly a lot of it has to do with the fact that Google (in particular) but also Microsoft and others pretty much are at a point where they mark email from any IP they haven't received email from yet (or not enough of it) as spam/junk. Typically it'll still arrive but at the junk box, at least in my experience. But after a few months of sending emails, my emails no longer end up in junk boxes anymore, even to people I haven't sent to yet. So it takes persistence. You can definitely use the built-in SMTP server, but it takes that persistence for a few months.

    Unfortunately, that isn't feasible in many cases so if you can't afford to wait months then third-party SMTP servers are your best bet. In my experience unfortunately though I've had a number of issues with a few of those too so I eventually opted to have full control and own my own SMTP server and work it until it was recognized by Gmail, Outlook, iCloud, etc. and thankfully it worked well (after a lot of waiting, haha).

    --
    Dustin Dauncey
    www.d19.ca

    JOduMonTJ 1 Reply Last reply
    1
  • girishG Do not disturb
    girishG Do not disturb
    girish Staff
    wrote on last edited by
    #14

    FWIW, Cloudron.io email is hosted on a Cloudron 😄

    1 Reply Last reply
    2
  • JOduMonTJ Offline
    JOduMonTJ Offline
    JOduMonT
    replied to d19dotca on last edited by
    #15

    @d19dotca said in Cloudron's email server:

    my own SMTP server and work it until it was recognized by Gmail,

    You must send a lot of email from the same IP because the https://gmail.com/postmaster/ need a few thousand of email every months to consider your IP/server has a mail server

    but I'm glad to hear than with a good IP (from OVH) it's still feasible.

    d19dotcaD 1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • d19dotcaD Offline
    d19dotcaD Offline
    d19dotca
    replied to JOduMonT on last edited by
    #16

    @JOduMonT I definitely don't send that much, haha. Maybe a few hundred from my server between all the users on it, and even that's probably a stretch since not all of those would be addressed to a Gmail box. What you're stating must not be a requirement though otherwise I'd have definitely never made to a Gmail mailbox. haha.

    I assume there a lot of factors that go into it, the biggest I believe is following as many best practices as you can from this page, and having Gmail users whitelist / mark as not junk your messages so that it'll eventually tell Google it's safe, as those aren't per mailbox and generally feed into Google's spam logic for everyone.

    https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126?hl=en&ref_topic=7279058

    --
    Dustin Dauncey
    www.d19.ca

    1 Reply Last reply
    1
  • M Offline
    M Offline
    msbt App Dev
    replied to will on last edited by msbt
    #17

    @will said in Cloudron's email server:

    @msbt I second sendgrid. Easy, awesome, free. Bullet proof so far.

    You misunderstood, I went away from sendgrid because of shared blacklisted IPs, my Cloudron IPs were fine. But before that, it was working flawless.

    @d19dotca yea I've read about that and tried a few weeks, even months, but my customers don't have that much volume, so there's no chance to ever get whitelisted by the big players.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • M Offline
    M Offline
    msbt App Dev
    replied to necrevistonnezr on last edited by
    #18

    @necrevistonnezr said in Cloudron's email server:

    @msbt
    I‘d be careful with Mailjet... https://forum.cloudron.io/post/8901
    They don’t notify you when they stop relaying mail.

    What was the reason for them to stop relaying? I'm using webhooks to catch events for blocked emails, but that probably doesn't cover stopping their services at a whole.

    necrevistonnezrN 1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • nebulonN Offline
    nebulonN Offline
    nebulon Staff
    wrote on last edited by
    #19

    Actually this is all about sending mails it seems (which is the most problematic part though) but sending mails would already be done by OPs Cloudron, regardless whether Cloudron manages his mailboxes or not.
    Also I would not say that we recommend mail server usage only with a relay, it very much depends on the circumstances as already discussed here.

    Personally I also host all my mailboxes on my personal Cloudron, up until recently also sending directly out of there, however recently I moved everything to a home-server and now the relay support comes in handy 🙂

    1 Reply Last reply
    3
  • necrevistonnezrN Offline
    necrevistonnezrN Offline
    necrevistonnezr
    replied to msbt on last edited by
    #20

    @msbt said in Cloudron's email server:

    @necrevistonnezr said in Cloudron's email server:

    @msbt
    I‘d be careful with Mailjet... https://forum.cloudron.io/post/8901
    They don’t notify you when they stop relaying mail.

    What was the reason for them to stop relaying? I'm using webhooks to catch events for blocked emails, but that probably doesn't cover stopping their services at a whole.

    This was their response after I opened a ticket - mind you that is 5 days after they stopped relaying mails without informing me and with a volume of maybe 10 mails a day received / sent:

    Thank you for contacting us.
    Our compliance team needs some additional information before the account can be activated. Please provide us with the following information:
    1) What is the nature of your business?
    2) How are contacts added to your mailing lists? Are the lists created over time through a registration form on your website; purchased from third parties; collected offline?
    3) How are your contact lists managed and maintained?
    4) When you send transactional messages
        - How are they triggered?
        - Can you please send us a sample message?
    Thanks in advance - I look forward to your feedback.
    
    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • M Offline
    M Offline
    msbt App Dev
    wrote on last edited by
    #21

    that's odd, so were you running a mailing list or was that just their assumption?

    necrevistonnezrN 1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • necrevistonnezrN Offline
    necrevistonnezrN Offline
    necrevistonnezr
    replied to msbt on last edited by
    #22

    @msbt said in Cloudron's email server:

    that's odd, so were you running a mailing list or was that just their assumption?

    No, nothing of the sort. They didn't tell me their assumption. As I said, I had maybe 10 emails a day being sent.
    If you look at trustpilot, there are many more with similar issues: https://www.trustpilot.com/review/mailjet.com

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • marcusquinnM Offline
    marcusquinnM Offline
    marcusquinn
    replied to YurkshireLad on last edited by
    #23

    @YurkshireLad Maybe try the Elasticmail DMARC voodoo generator and guide:

    • https://elasticemail.com/dmarc

    We're not here for a long time - but we are here for a good time :)
    Jersey/UK
    Work & Ecommerce Advice: https://brandlight.org
    Personal & Software Tips: https://marcusquinn.com

    1 Reply Last reply
    0

  • Login

  • Don't have an account? Register

  • Login or register to search.
  • First post
    Last post
0
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • Bookmarks
  • Login

  • Don't have an account? Register

  • Login or register to search.