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Google suspended Element in Play Store

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  • subvenS Offline
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    This is alarming but was to be expected. As a free, decentralized alternative, Element has something of a target on its chest. The argument that "the" matrix server (matrix.org) has/had questionable content and that the Element client is therefore banned is highly questionable, but thats exactly the kind of argument that you have to put forward if you want to prevent people from using free alternatives.

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    • subvenS subven

      This is alarming but was to be expected. As a free, decentralized alternative, Element has something of a target on its chest. The argument that "the" matrix server (matrix.org) has/had questionable content and that the Element client is therefore banned is highly questionable, but thats exactly the kind of argument that you have to put forward if you want to prevent people from using free alternatives.

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      @subven Totally agree - by that logic, they should ban all the web browsers because they could connect to a site with highly objectionable content. Probably all the VPNs and other general-purpose utilities too. It's a dangerously slippery slope for sure.

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      • jimcavoliJ jimcavoli

        @subven Totally agree - by that logic, they should ban all the web browsers because they could connect to a site with highly objectionable content. Probably all the VPNs and other general-purpose utilities too. It's a dangerously slippery slope for sure.

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        @jimcavoli I mean, for that matter, computers allow access to objectionable stuff... One could argue that the root cause is actually having eyes ...

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        • mehdiM mehdi

          @jimcavoli I mean, for that matter, computers allow access to objectionable stuff... One could argue that the root cause is actually having eyes ...

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          #10

          @mehdi as long as we humans exist there will be obscene content. So destroy all humans?

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          • yusfY yusf

            Yes PWAs are nice. However, they all share the same flaw, which is the push notification feature. This makes building high-paced social applications impossible.

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            fbartels
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            @yusf said in Google suspended Element in Play Store:

            they all share the same flaw, which is the push notification feature

            There are push notifications in PWAs https://medium.com/better-programming/everything-you-need-to-know-about-pwas-push-notifications-e870bb54e14f

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            • fbartelsF fbartels

              @yusf said in Google suspended Element in Play Store:

              they all share the same flaw, which is the push notification feature

              There are push notifications in PWAs https://medium.com/better-programming/everything-you-need-to-know-about-pwas-push-notifications-e870bb54e14f

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              #12

              @fbartels But if it's not available on mobile and cross-platform it's of no use as nothing can be built for a general target group.

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              • mehdiM mehdi

                @jimcavoli I mean, for that matter, computers allow access to objectionable stuff... One could argue that the root cause is actually having eyes ...

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                #13

                While we are at it.
                Did anyone try to host Cloudron as an Onion Service?

                Just tagging @girish and @nebulon to maybe get some insights about Onion Services and Cloudron.

                Like my work? Consider donating a drink. Cheers!

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                • BrutalBirdieB BrutalBirdie

                  While we are at it.
                  Did anyone try to host Cloudron as an Onion Service?

                  Just tagging @girish and @nebulon to maybe get some insights about Onion Services and Cloudron.

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                  #14

                  @brutalbirdie tbh I don't have much experience with onion services, so no not really.

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                  • fbartelsF fbartels

                    @yusf said in Google suspended Element in Play Store:

                    they all share the same flaw, which is the push notification feature

                    There are push notifications in PWAs https://medium.com/better-programming/everything-you-need-to-know-about-pwas-push-notifications-e870bb54e14f

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                    @fbartels If only all push notifications could be uninvented, I'd be very happy! 🙂

                    Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                    Development https://brandlight.org
                    Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                    • yusfY yusf

                      @fbartels But if it's not available on mobile and cross-platform it's of no use as nothing can be built for a general target group.

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                      fbartels
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                      #16

                      @yusf said in Google suspended Element in Play Store:

                      But if it's not available on mobile

                      On Android that works quite well. If only there would be no Apple in the world... https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/114503

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                      • fbartelsF fbartels

                        @yusf said in Google suspended Element in Play Store:

                        But if it's not available on mobile

                        On Android that works quite well. If only there would be no Apple in the world... https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/114503

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                        #17

                        @fbartels On the other hand: If only there would be no Apple in the world we'd be completely at the whims of one of the largest data mining operation in the world. 😆

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                        • fbartelsF fbartels

                          @yusf said in Google suspended Element in Play Store:

                          But if it's not available on mobile

                          On Android that works quite well. If only there would be no Apple in the world... https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/114503

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                          @fbartels There would need to be something better than Apple for my needs, and much of my favourite software is Mac-only. I can run Linux & Windows VMs/VPS from Mac but not the other way around.

                          Seriously, I'd pay to have zero push notifications, they are a psychological plague in purporting that external attention-seeking is more important than self-determined attention.

                          I miss the days when phones were for calls & text messages only.

                          Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                          Development https://brandlight.org
                          Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                          • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                            @fbartels There would need to be something better than Apple for my needs, and much of my favourite software is Mac-only. I can run Linux & Windows VMs/VPS from Mac but not the other way around.

                            Seriously, I'd pay to have zero push notifications, they are a psychological plague in purporting that external attention-seeking is more important than self-determined attention.

                            I miss the days when phones were for calls & text messages only.

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                            @marcusquinn

                            You can run macOS on Windows, both virtually and natively.

                            I'd pay to have zero push notifications

                            ☝ 😊 👇

                            I miss the days when phones were for calls & text messages only.

                            Calls and texts are literally pushed though. 😁

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                            • yusfY yusf

                              @marcusquinn

                              You can run macOS on Windows, both virtually and natively.

                              I'd pay to have zero push notifications

                              ☝ 😊 👇

                              I miss the days when phones were for calls & text messages only.

                              Calls and texts are literally pushed though. 😁

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                              @yusf Technically you can hack a Mac but it's asking for unsupported trouble, anything relying on hardware support is vulnerable. I could drive a kit-car too, but I value my time more than money, and would literally spend twice as much for half the hassles. Taken me 20 years of refining, but very happy with my setup 🙂

                              Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                              Development https://brandlight.org
                              Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                              • yusfY yusf

                                @marcusquinn

                                You can run macOS on Windows, both virtually and natively.

                                I'd pay to have zero push notifications

                                ☝ 😊 👇

                                I miss the days when phones were for calls & text messages only.

                                Calls and texts are literally pushed though. 😁

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                                marcusquinn
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #21

                                @yusf said in Google suspended Element in Play Store:

                                Calls and texts are literally pushed though.

                                For the 10% of important people still using them. 90% of notifications to me are unnecessary, no matter how much I try to whack them with settings.

                                Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                                Development https://brandlight.org
                                Life https://marcusquinn.com

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