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Reducing backup costs / Backup to pCloud

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      eddowding
      wrote on last edited by girish
      #1

      I'm spending a small fortune on Backblaze it seems.

      1. Is it possible to backup to a cheaper provider? eg https://www.pcloud.com/cloud-storage-pricing-plans.html?period=lifetime

      2. What solutions / tips do you have to reduce backup costs?

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      • E eddowding

        I'm spending a small fortune on Backblaze it seems.

        1. Is it possible to backup to a cheaper provider? eg https://www.pcloud.com/cloud-storage-pricing-plans.html?period=lifetime

        2. What solutions / tips do you have to reduce backup costs?

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        @eddowding
        Cloudron gives you plenty of protocols to choose from.
        I am backing up to https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box via SSHFS. Only paying €3.81 currently (for 1 TB), which is more than fair IMO.
        If your VPS is not in Europe, you can also check out IDrive e2 (https://www.idrive.com/e2/pricing). It's an S3 compatible service.

        Matrix: @nichu42:blueplanet.social

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        • nichu42N nichu42

          @eddowding
          Cloudron gives you plenty of protocols to choose from.
          I am backing up to https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box via SSHFS. Only paying €3.81 currently (for 1 TB), which is more than fair IMO.
          If your VPS is not in Europe, you can also check out IDrive e2 (https://www.idrive.com/e2/pricing). It's an S3 compatible service.

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          GregY
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          @nichu42 said in Reducing backup costs / Backup to pCloud:

          If your VPS is not in Europe, you can also check out IDrive e2 (https://www.idrive.com/e2/pricing). It's an S3 compatible service.

          Hetzner also has US-based VPS and storage volumes.

          I use Hetzner as my VPS provider and Backblaze B2 to backup data. As I migrate services to self-hosted options, I'm thinking of using Hetzner for both.

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          • nichu42N nichu42

            @eddowding
            Cloudron gives you plenty of protocols to choose from.
            I am backing up to https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box via SSHFS. Only paying €3.81 currently (for 1 TB), which is more than fair IMO.
            If your VPS is not in Europe, you can also check out IDrive e2 (https://www.idrive.com/e2/pricing). It's an S3 compatible service.

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            jdaviescoates
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            @nichu42 said in Reducing backup costs / Backup to pCloud:

            If your VPS is not in Europe, you can also check out IDrive e2 (https://www.idrive.com/e2/pricing). It's an S3 compatible service.

            Currently has insanely cheap 90% off prices for the first year, plus EU options. Not powered by renewables though.

            I use Hetzner Storage Boxes like many others here. Hard to beat value (cheaper than iDrive e2 standard prices) and 100% renewable electricity too.

            I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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            • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

              @nichu42 said in Reducing backup costs / Backup to pCloud:

              If your VPS is not in Europe, you can also check out IDrive e2 (https://www.idrive.com/e2/pricing). It's an S3 compatible service.

              Currently has insanely cheap 90% off prices for the first year, plus EU options. Not powered by renewables though.

              I use Hetzner Storage Boxes like many others here. Hard to beat value (cheaper than iDrive e2 standard prices) and 100% renewable electricity too.

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              BrutalBirdie
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              Also Hetzner Storage Box here, just super cheap and it just works like 95% of the time.
              I use SSHFS with the Storage Box.

              Like my work? Consider donating a drink. Cheers!

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                eddowding
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                FWIW I asked pCloud:

                Unfortunately, we do not support SSH but WebDAV. Here are the settings to access your pCloud account via WebDav protocol:
                link: https://webdav.pcloud.com (US servers) or https://ewebdav.pcloud.com (EU servers)

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                • E eddowding

                  I'm spending a small fortune on Backblaze it seems.

                  1. Is it possible to backup to a cheaper provider? eg https://www.pcloud.com/cloud-storage-pricing-plans.html?period=lifetime

                  2. What solutions / tips do you have to reduce backup costs?

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                  timconsidine
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                  @eddowding I use Scaleway for Cloudron backups and Hetzner storage box for other archives

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                  • nichu42N nichu42

                    @eddowding
                    Cloudron gives you plenty of protocols to choose from.
                    I am backing up to https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box via SSHFS. Only paying €3.81 currently (for 1 TB), which is more than fair IMO.
                    If your VPS is not in Europe, you can also check out IDrive e2 (https://www.idrive.com/e2/pricing). It's an S3 compatible service.

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                    eddowding
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                    @nichu42 they seem to have sites in the EU too, which is nice - thank you !

                    I'm confused how to configure it, if you have any tips. I'm trying all sorts of combinations of IP / endpoints, access id, secret, username etc to no avail so far.

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                    • E eddowding

                      @nichu42 they seem to have sites in the EU too, which is nice - thank you !

                      I'm confused how to configure it, if you have any tips. I'm trying all sorts of combinations of IP / endpoints, access id, secret, username etc to no avail so far.

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                      jdaviescoates
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                      @eddowding pretty sure @marcusquinn is using it for backups so should be able to help

                      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                      • E eddowding

                        @nichu42 they seem to have sites in the EU too, which is nice - thank you !

                        I'm confused how to configure it, if you have any tips. I'm trying all sorts of combinations of IP / endpoints, access id, secret, username etc to no avail so far.

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                        jdaviescoates
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                        @eddowding said in Reducing backup costs / Backup to pCloud:

                        endpoints

                        often it's just that you're missing an https:// or something

                        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                        • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                          @eddowding pretty sure @marcusquinn is using it for backups so should be able to help

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                          marcusquinn
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                          @jdaviescoates I'm using IDrive e2 (S3 compatible) and tarball backups. Seems to be the best speed & cost ratio.

                          Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                          Development https://brandlight.org
                          Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                            privsec
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                            @staff
                            If may be prudent to list a section in the docs specifically for backup providers with referral links to good service providers that are cheap and use renewable power.

                            Just a thought

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                              @jdaviescoates I'm using IDrive e2 (S3 compatible) and tarball backups. Seems to be the best speed & cost ratio.

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                              @marcusquinn said in Reducing backup costs / Backup to pCloud:

                              @jdaviescoates I'm using IDrive e2 (S3 compatible) and tarball backups. Seems to be the best speed & cost ratio.

                              I know, that's why I tagged you, because my old chum @eddowding was looking for support in getting that set up 😉

                              I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                johannesjom
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                                Regardless of the provider, the possibility to copy the backup to a webdav share would be very good!

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                                • E eddowding

                                  FWIW I asked pCloud:

                                  Unfortunately, we do not support SSH but WebDAV. Here are the settings to access your pCloud account via WebDav protocol:
                                  link: https://webdav.pcloud.com (US servers) or https://ewebdav.pcloud.com (EU servers)

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                                  @eddowding Hi there, I am new to cloudron but have it installed, and want to use webdav to send my cloudron backups to my pcloud account as described in your post here, I have a european server pcloud account with 3TB available so this should get me going well, I just need some help setting the webdav to pcloud as my backup choice, can you please post a description of exactly how to do this as I have searched and found no more info on this or using webdav for this purpose in general?
                                  Your help is appreciated!

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                                  • M Mad_Mattho

                                    @eddowding Hi there, I am new to cloudron but have it installed, and want to use webdav to send my cloudron backups to my pcloud account as described in your post here, I have a european server pcloud account with 3TB available so this should get me going well, I just need some help setting the webdav to pcloud as my backup choice, can you please post a description of exactly how to do this as I have searched and found no more info on this or using webdav for this purpose in general?
                                    Your help is appreciated!

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                                    girish
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                                    @Mad_Mattho Cloudron does not have a way to backup to WebDav . Afaict, pcloud has no way to be "s3 compatible" either. So, it's not straightforward to backup to pcloud.

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                                    • M Mad_Mattho

                                      @eddowding Hi there, I am new to cloudron but have it installed, and want to use webdav to send my cloudron backups to my pcloud account as described in your post here, I have a european server pcloud account with 3TB available so this should get me going well, I just need some help setting the webdav to pcloud as my backup choice, can you please post a description of exactly how to do this as I have searched and found no more info on this or using webdav for this purpose in general?
                                      Your help is appreciated!

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                                      marcusquinn
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                                      @Mad_Mattho Checkout iDrive.com e2 or Hetzner.com Storage Box, both well tested and liked by many here.

                                      Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                                      Development https://brandlight.org
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                                        necrevistonnezr
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                                        Enter Shadowdrive, an EU hosted provider with 2TB at € 4.99 / month. Based on Nextcloud. Cheapest privacy minded storage provider I've seen so far.

                                        https://shadow.tech/en-DE/drive

                                        "Hosted in Europe, your files are safe from prying eyes, even our own: we do not commercially exploit any data you choose to host, and it is encrypted both in transit and client-side.
                                        Desktop and mobile clients help you keep your files synced automatically. You can also connect with third-party backup software to ensure that you recover what you need.
                                        "

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                                          @Mad_Mattho and other pDrive customers - The Linux version of pDrive creates "a folder in your [user] directory and use(s) that as a mount point for a virtual drive" (https://www.reddit.com/r/pcloud/comments/13rkrh8/linux_cannot_write_into_pcloud_drive/). If you are on a linux-based server/vm, etc., it sounds like this should work well. I don't know if you would need to start over and install pDrive first, or if you could just install it now post-Cloudron-install without messing up Cloudron. If you give it a try let the rest of us know how it went.

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                                            You could try/experiment with using rclone.
                                            create a config for your desired mount, for example google drive.
                                            Mount that via systemd and then point your backups to that location.

                                            For example:
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                                            [Unit]
                                            Description=rclone Service Google Drive Mount
                                            Wants=network-online.target
                                            After=network-online.target
                                            
                                            [Service]
                                            Type=notify
                                            Environment=RCLONE_CONFIG=/root/.config/rclone/rclone.conf
                                            RestartSec=5
                                            ExecStart=/usr/bin/rclone mount google:cloudron /mnt/google \
                                            # This is for allowing users other than the user running rclone access to the mount
                                            --allow-other \
                                            # Dropbox is a polling remote so this value can be set very high and any changes are detected via polling.
                                            --dir-cache-time 9999h \
                                            # Log file location
                                            --log-file /root/.config/rclone/logs/rclone-google.log \
                                            # Set the log level
                                            --log-level INFO \
                                            # This is setting the file permission on the mount to user and group have the same access and other can read
                                            --umask 002 \
                                            # This sets up the remote control daemon so you can issue rc commands locally
                                            --rc \
                                            # This is the default port it runs on
                                            --rc-addr 127.0.0.1:5574 \
                                            # no-auth is used as no one else uses my server
                                            --rc-no-auth \
                                            # The local disk used for caching
                                            --cache-dir=/cache/google \
                                            # This is used for caching files to local disk for streaming
                                            --vfs-cache-mode full \
                                            # This limits the cache size to the value below
                                            --vfs-cache-max-size 50G \
                                            # Speed up the reading: Use fast (less accurate) fingerprints for change detection
                                            --vfs-fast-fingerprint \
                                            # Wait before uploading
                                            --vfs-write-back 1m \
                                            # This limits the age in the cache if the size is reached and it removes the oldest files first
                                            --vfs-cache-max-age 9999h \
                                            # Disable HTTP2
                                            #--disable-http2 \
                                            # Set the tpslimit
                                            --tpslimit 12 \
                                            # Set the tpslimit-burst
                                            --tpslimit-burst 0
                                            ExecStop=/bin/fusermount3 -uz /mnt/google
                                            ExecStartPost=/usr/bin/rclone rc vfs/refresh recursive=true --url 127.0.0.1:5574 _async=true
                                            Restart=on-failure
                                            User=root
                                            Group=root
                                            
                                            [Install]
                                            WantedBy=multi-user.target
                                            # https://github.com/animosity22/homescripts/blob/master/systemd/rclone-drive.service
                                            
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