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Reducing backup costs / Backup to pCloud

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    eddowding
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    I'm spending a small fortune on Backblaze it seems.

    1. Is it possible to backup to a cheaper provider? eg https://www.pcloud.com/cloud-storage-pricing-plans.html?period=lifetime

    2. What solutions / tips do you have to reduce backup costs?

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    @eddowding
    Cloudron gives you plenty of protocols to choose from.
    I am backing up to https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box via SSHFS. Only paying €3.81 currently (for 1 TB), which is more than fair IMO.
    If your VPS is not in Europe, you can also check out IDrive e2 (https://www.idrive.com/e2/pricing). It's an S3 compatible service.

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    @nichu42 said in Reducing backup costs / Backup to pCloud:

    If your VPS is not in Europe, you can also check out IDrive e2 (https://www.idrive.com/e2/pricing). It's an S3 compatible service.

    Hetzner also has US-based VPS and storage volumes.

    I use Hetzner as my VPS provider and Backblaze B2 to backup data. As I migrate services to self-hosted options, I'm thinking of using Hetzner for both.

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    @nichu42 said in Reducing backup costs / Backup to pCloud:

    If your VPS is not in Europe, you can also check out IDrive e2 (https://www.idrive.com/e2/pricing). It's an S3 compatible service.

    Currently has insanely cheap 90% off prices for the first year, plus EU options. Not powered by renewables though.

    I use Hetzner Storage Boxes like many others here. Hard to beat value (cheaper than iDrive e2 standard prices) and 100% renewable electricity too.

    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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    Also Hetzner Storage Box here, just super cheap and it just works like 95% of the time.
    I use SSHFS with the Storage Box.

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    FWIW I asked pCloud:

    Unfortunately, we do not support SSH but WebDAV. Here are the settings to access your pCloud account via WebDav protocol:
    link: https://webdav.pcloud.com (US servers) or https://ewebdav.pcloud.com (EU servers)

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    @eddowding I use Scaleway for Cloudron backups and Hetzner storage box for other archives

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    @nichu42 they seem to have sites in the EU too, which is nice - thank you !

    I'm confused how to configure it, if you have any tips. I'm trying all sorts of combinations of IP / endpoints, access id, secret, username etc to no avail so far.

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    @eddowding pretty sure @marcusquinn is using it for backups so should be able to help

    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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    @eddowding said in Reducing backup costs / Backup to pCloud:

    endpoints

    often it's just that you're missing an https:// or something

    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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    @jdaviescoates I'm using IDrive e2 (S3 compatible) and tarball backups. Seems to be the best speed & cost ratio.

    We're not here for a long time - but we are here for a good time :)
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    @staff
    If may be prudent to list a section in the docs specifically for backup providers with referral links to good service providers that are cheap and use renewable power.

    Just a thought

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    @marcusquinn said in Reducing backup costs / Backup to pCloud:

    @jdaviescoates I'm using IDrive e2 (S3 compatible) and tarball backups. Seems to be the best speed & cost ratio.

    I know, that's why I tagged you, because my old chum @eddowding was looking for support in getting that set up 😉

    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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    Regardless of the provider, the possibility to copy the backup to a webdav share would be very good!

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    @eddowding Hi there, I am new to cloudron but have it installed, and want to use webdav to send my cloudron backups to my pcloud account as described in your post here, I have a european server pcloud account with 3TB available so this should get me going well, I just need some help setting the webdav to pcloud as my backup choice, can you please post a description of exactly how to do this as I have searched and found no more info on this or using webdav for this purpose in general?
    Your help is appreciated!

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    @Mad_Mattho Cloudron does not have a way to backup to WebDav . Afaict, pcloud has no way to be "s3 compatible" either. So, it's not straightforward to backup to pcloud.

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    @Mad_Mattho Checkout iDrive.com e2 or Hetzner.com Storage Box, both well tested and liked by many here.

    We're not here for a long time - but we are here for a good time :)
    Jersey/UK
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    Personal & Software Tips: https://marcusquinn.com

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    Enter Shadowdrive, an EU hosted provider with 2TB at € 4.99 / month. Based on Nextcloud. Cheapest privacy minded storage provider I've seen so far.

    https://shadow.tech/en-DE/drive

    "Hosted in Europe, your files are safe from prying eyes, even our own: we do not commercially exploit any data you choose to host, and it is encrypted both in transit and client-side.
    Desktop and mobile clients help you keep your files synced automatically. You can also connect with third-party backup software to ensure that you recover what you need.
    "

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    @Mad_Mattho and other pDrive customers - The Linux version of pDrive creates "a folder in your [user] directory and use(s) that as a mount point for a virtual drive" (https://www.reddit.com/r/pcloud/comments/13rkrh8/linux_cannot_write_into_pcloud_drive/). If you are on a linux-based server/vm, etc., it sounds like this should work well. I don't know if you would need to start over and install pDrive first, or if you could just install it now post-Cloudron-install without messing up Cloudron. If you give it a try let the rest of us know how it went.

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    You could try/experiment with using rclone.
    create a config for your desired mount, for example google drive.
    Mount that via systemd and then point your backups to that location.

    For example:
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    [Unit]
    Description=rclone Service Google Drive Mount
    Wants=network-online.target
    After=network-online.target
    
    [Service]
    Type=notify
    Environment=RCLONE_CONFIG=/root/.config/rclone/rclone.conf
    RestartSec=5
    ExecStart=/usr/bin/rclone mount google:cloudron /mnt/google \
    # This is for allowing users other than the user running rclone access to the mount
    --allow-other \
    # Dropbox is a polling remote so this value can be set very high and any changes are detected via polling.
    --dir-cache-time 9999h \
    # Log file location
    --log-file /root/.config/rclone/logs/rclone-google.log \
    # Set the log level
    --log-level INFO \
    # This is setting the file permission on the mount to user and group have the same access and other can read
    --umask 002 \
    # This sets up the remote control daemon so you can issue rc commands locally
    --rc \
    # This is the default port it runs on
    --rc-addr 127.0.0.1:5574 \
    # no-auth is used as no one else uses my server
    --rc-no-auth \
    # The local disk used for caching
    --cache-dir=/cache/google \
    # This is used for caching files to local disk for streaming
    --vfs-cache-mode full \
    # This limits the cache size to the value below
    --vfs-cache-max-size 50G \
    # Speed up the reading: Use fast (less accurate) fingerprints for change detection
    --vfs-fast-fingerprint \
    # Wait before uploading
    --vfs-write-back 1m \
    # This limits the age in the cache if the size is reached and it removes the oldest files first
    --vfs-cache-max-age 9999h \
    # Disable HTTP2
    #--disable-http2 \
    # Set the tpslimit
    --tpslimit 12 \
    # Set the tpslimit-burst
    --tpslimit-burst 0
    ExecStop=/bin/fusermount3 -uz /mnt/google
    ExecStartPost=/usr/bin/rclone rc vfs/refresh recursive=true --url 127.0.0.1:5574 _async=true
    Restart=on-failure
    User=root
    Group=root
    
    [Install]
    WantedBy=multi-user.target
    # https://github.com/animosity22/homescripts/blob/master/systemd/rclone-drive.service
    
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