@d19dotca since we had some recent timeout issue with the services view (and mail being a service here) it could be that also here the mail container or the server overall is busy during that time and thus the search queries timeout. If you see this happening again, a look into the system/box logs as well as mail service logs should reveal this then.

@mastadamus that will be very useful, thanks!

@uiguy It's all opportunity-cost - just because we can, it doesn't mean we should if someone else has already done and there's a community with a vested interest in continuing to. My team (not part of Cloudron, just fans and occasional contributors) are crack-commando developers, the last think I want them consumed with is dev-ops wheel reinventing when we have a world of wonder in evolving organisations based based on the apps themselves. I can replace the clutch in my car, build furniture, clean my own house, do accounts and go to the shops to buy something - not really the best use of time nowadays though. I've seen almost every alternative under the sun in this space, but where do you stop? Many have said similar - no-one has yet shown any of us a faster way to achieve the same and repeatedly. All open minds here - it's easy to throw technology names around, we all have search engines for that too - experience tells me claims & realities often differ. If you want to live in dev-ops, then Terraform K8S with GitLab CI. If you can do everything Cloudron will do faster, I'll personally pay for your licence for wasting your time. Proof is in the pudding though, you either try something and learn or you don't. No-one's here to convince anyone of anything, we just all have places to be, people to help, and value the time-saving, community for just getting on with minimum drama. This ain't the corporate political brand name dropping world here - in fact I've found it to be a community of doers that don't wear or care for any brand names. We're here for a good time, not a promotion, pitch or long time. No-one's paid to help anyone, karma is the currency of a community greater than any one opinion, and I'm here to be enlightened, challenged and proven wrong to be right next time. I once sat in a cafe, overhearing frustrated project managers for a bank talking about abandoning a £2m investment in an Azure & Dynamics setup because it was never ending and a constant turnover of "certified" junior developers. They could have had it all done and moved on with something like Odoo - but hey, some people still say that no-one ever got fired for recommending Microsoft! Or did they?

@plusone-nick Yeah, that's application & storage layer but the reason for looking at Scale Computing is OS layer, so it covers server & client OS images. Kinda like your own private hosting provider in a box (or boxes).

@d19dotca thanks! I've merged it

@girish said in Change to the DKIM record hostname in recent version, caused by new feature or from using NO-IP domain provider?: If it was random, I was afraid there is still a possibility that they can conflict across servers Great point - that makes sense. Thanks Girish. Side note: I think it'd still be great for the OCD in some of us to be able to regenerate the DKIM record on demand so it not only follows the new hostname pattern in Cloudron but also generates a new key if desired too.

Here's a similar idea that has the hardware part mostly figured out: https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Hardware

@nebulon there are many: sub runs out for some time app is stopped to conserve resources and brought back app is unresponsive (awaiting fix timeslots & updates) app backup is restored needing many updates ??? In each of these cases, multiple updates need to be done and the current flow makes it difficult and tedious to set it and forget it. Imagine what it's like when 2+ months of updates are available across 30+ apps.

Cloudron 1: Use minio on Cloudron 2 as backup Cloudron 2: Backup minio to a different datacenter/location

@girish Just when I thought I understood DNS I learn about negative caching. Not sure if this was the issue, but it is possible. Thanks.

@d19dotca said in What is your backup config and why?: @p44 - Do you find the 2 PM (presumably that's a "peak" time for your server traffic) impacts performance at all? This is a very good question. Performances could be affected but our customers in that time they are in lunch time, so we prefer to keep an updated copy of backup after "morning work". Backup all data it takes around 30minutes.

@girish Oh that's a good idea! I don't think I knew I could create a mailbox and have an app use that mailbox, or at least I didn't really consider it before. I think that's a good workaround. Thanks!

@privsec Confirmed, I have installed Navidrome and it just works.

@nebulon Thanks! You have very comprehensive explained why not in an easy to understand way . Relevant discussion here for those who will never visit the "App Packaging and Development" section of the forum!

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Wohoo! This is really great, thanks for all the effort! French will be then shipped out of the box with the next release 6.2