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Perhaps it is time to think about alternatives

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  • girishG girish

    @marcusquinn We are switching slowly to Element, will update on how it goes 🙂 It's a bit complicated having to many of our customers as well.

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    #18

    @girish Nice, last time I looked it felt a bit clunky, but it sounds like they have a commitment to develop, so will have another look at it again too. Saying that, I'm finding Nextcloud Talk just zero effort for onboarding as everyone was already on Nextcloud Files, and seems to like that enough for it to not feel like extra effort for them to use another part of it.

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      @girish Nice, last time I looked it felt a bit clunky, but it sounds like they have a commitment to develop, so will have another look at it again too. Saying that, I'm finding Nextcloud Talk just zero effort for onboarding as everyone was already on Nextcloud Files, and seems to like that enough for it to not feel like extra effort for them to use another part of it.

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      @marcusquinn I see all the praise about NextCloud Talk, however at some point I'd been testing it however, it seems to work pretty well for live one on one talk, but in the other hand, I find very much annoying the constant notifications of every action and move being added to the chat thread, which renders it very difficult to follow the text chat as it is normally. Have I missed something? Or is there a way to cut that?

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      • micmcM micmc

        @marcusquinn I see all the praise about NextCloud Talk, however at some point I'd been testing it however, it seems to work pretty well for live one on one talk, but in the other hand, I find very much annoying the constant notifications of every action and move being added to the chat thread, which renders it very difficult to follow the text chat as it is normally. Have I missed something? Or is there a way to cut that?

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        @micmc Notifications settings at /settings/user/notifications might offer the options you need?

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          @micmc Notifications settings at /settings/user/notifications might offer the options you need?

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          @nebulon Is there an easy way to go back to an older version without losing recent chats?

          I can restore from backup, but I assume I lose recent chat history then?

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            @nebulon Is there an easy way to go back to an older version without losing recent chats?

            I can restore from backup, but I assume I lose recent chat history then?

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            @Sam_uk there is no easy way, as often with updates the database schema changes and thus code and data become incompatible.

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            • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

              @micmc Notifications settings at /settings/user/notifications might offer the options you need?

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              @marcusquinn said in Perhaps it is time to think about alternatives:

              @micmc Notifications settings at /settings/user/notifications might offer the options you need?

              No, I've checked that already. There doesn't seem there's a way to concise that, I thought I was maybe missing something.

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                #24

                I was just reading this...
                https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/18a2624/now_that_rocketchat_65_limits_to_25_users_or_less/
                Looks like the new 25 user limit can be config'ed back to community edition (no user limit), don't use it myself, thought it might be of interest to those that do.

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                  I stopped using Rocketchat some time ago personally. Getting on OK with Mattermost

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                    It's time for Zulip

                    Conscious tech

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                      Well, I guess they think they are the biggest fish and can start all this shitty behavior. For me, I was already out after I installed it on Cloudron and then a day later I got a mail from a rocket chat employee, trying to get me to buy a license.

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                        If I didn't have to care about GDPR compliance I'd certainly have gone Element/Matrix

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                        • Sam_ukS Sam_uk

                          If I didn't have to care about GDPR compliance I'd certainly have gone Element/Matrix

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                          @Sam_uk what about Matrix is not GDPR compliant? Is it the federation angle?

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                          • girishG girish

                            @Sam_uk what about Matrix is not GDPR compliant? Is it the federation angle?

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                            @girish
                            https://matrix.org/blog/2018/05/08/gdpr-compliance-in-matrix/

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                              it's still possible, but you have to make sure ppl give their consent before they join your server

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                                Very interesting conversation. We are RocketChat users on Cloudron (the app which first brought us in). More and more annoyances (lack of notifications), slowly but surely. Microsoft style Embrace-Extend-Extinguish, except this time it's the RocketChat management team suffocating their own open source version.

                                Perhaps it's time to freeze the RocketChat updates or even to offer a forked long term version where notifications actually work?

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                                  #33

                                  Anyone aware of any apps built using https://swellrt.org ?

                                  Conscious tech

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                                    @robi How is swellrt.org relevant to RocketChat?

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                                      @robi How is swellrt.org relevant to RocketChat?

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                                      @foliovision it's an alternative

                                      Conscious tech

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                                        foliovision
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                                        Doesn't look like much of an alternative to me.

                                        I must say the link spam to your paid healing business and buy me a coffee and paypal me seems a bit weird. You're a regular member so it's not up to me to judge.

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                                        • foliovisionF foliovision

                                          Doesn't look like much of an alternative to me.

                                          I must say the link spam to your paid healing business and buy me a coffee and paypal me seems a bit weird. You're a regular member so it's not up to me to judge.

                                          rob-cloudron.png

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                                          @foliovision said in Perhaps it is time to think about alternatives:

                                          Doesn't look like much of an alternative to me.

                                          Then you must not be a developer or someone who envisions investing in developing a chat solution for your needs.

                                          Thanks for the screenie, those stats look great!

                                          Although I prefer dark mode. 😄

                                          Conscious tech

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