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  • M maxkreg

    Welp.. essentially loosing support for netcup vServers would be very impactful for us. We´d have to convince a lot of customers to move to rServers or another hosting service, not even mentioning our time spent on migrating their servers.
    I guess this is one of those problems where nobody is to blame - I get netcup´s stance, but cooking up two cloudron versions every release circle doesn´t sound practical either.

    I´ll send an email to netcup customer support, maybe they can be convinced to add AVX support if enough of us are complaining.

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    @maxkreg said in AVX Support in your VPS/Server:

    I´ll send an email to netcup customer support, maybe they can be convinced to add AVX support if enough of us are complaining.

    FYI: I didn’t get a reply from netcup for 3 weeks now. No reply as in no response aside from the usual ‘we have received your message’.
    I think this is quite worrisome.

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    • BrutalBirdieB BrutalBirdie

      I talked to the SysOps Team of hosting.de and they are working on a solution for the Cloud Server for AWX.
      Could take 2-4 Weeks.

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      @BrutalBirdie said in AVX Support in your VPS/Server:

      I talked to the SysOps Team of hosting.de and they are working on a solution for the Cloud Server for AWX.
      Could take 2-4 Weeks.

      In the meantime, they have solved this issue
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      • erikscholzE erikscholz

        I just moved from a Netcup VPS (no AVX support) to a Contabo VPS (with AVX support). I restored my cloudron backup that's stored on a Google Cloud Bucket. It works all fine now and I also updated to cloudron 7.6. All in all it went ok, just some minor pain points that were fixable. If someone get's stuck with the same migration I can share my experience.

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        @erikscholz said in AVX Support in your VPS/Server:

        to a Contabo VPS

        Did you benchmark it? From my experience, Contabo has good prices but terrible performance compared to Netcup. I had lots of customers migrating from Contabo to Hetzner/Netcup over the years.

        Currently looking for 4-5 small servers to replace Netcups VPS 500 and VPS 1000 for some customers. Next best option seems to be Netcup RS 1000 G9.5. Any other ideas? Looking for servers located in the EU, under 10€/month with comparable ressources and features.

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          No referrals 😆 but this site is something to monitor: https://www.netcup-sonderangebote.de/

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          • subvenS subven

            @erikscholz said in AVX Support in your VPS/Server:

            to a Contabo VPS

            Did you benchmark it? From my experience, Contabo has good prices but terrible performance compared to Netcup. I had lots of customers migrating from Contabo to Hetzner/Netcup over the years.

            Currently looking for 4-5 small servers to replace Netcups VPS 500 and VPS 1000 for some customers. Next best option seems to be Netcup RS 1000 G9.5. Any other ideas? Looking for servers located in the EU, under 10€/month with comparable ressources and features.

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            @subven

            Yes I did some benchmarks and discussed that here: https://forum.cloudron.io/post/75580

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            • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

              @why42 said in AVX Support in your VPS/Server:

              So could you please provide Cloudron versions >=7.6 without AVX/AVX2 dependencies.

              I don't think that is going to happen tbh.

              The problem is the MongoDB 5 which numerous apps require itselfs requires AVX/AVX2

              Sadly that means the the cheap Netcup VPS servers are no longer compatible with Cloudron (although their more expensive RS RootServer range still is).

              I'd recommend checking out Hetzner Cloud as an almost as cheap but overall imho much better provider than Netcup (tbh I've just found everything about Netcup to be clunky, whereas the whole experience with Hetzner is pretty great imho)

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              @jdaviescoates As far as I know, you can compile new versions of Mongo DB without AVX support

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              • A Alex654

                @jdaviescoates As far as I know, you can compile new versions of Mongo DB without AVX support

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                @Alex654 do you know if mongodb supports that officially? I haven't found any doc page regarding this yet.

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                  Hi,
                  some noob question please.
                  Is it still secure to use v7.5.2?

                  I´m also a netcup user without AVX Support.

                  Thanx in advance.

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                  • D dieter

                    Hi,
                    some noob question please.
                    Is it still secure to use v7.5.2?

                    I´m also a netcup user without AVX Support.

                    Thanx in advance.

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                    @dieter said in AVX Support in your VPS/Server:

                    Is it still secure to use v7.5.2?

                    It should work fine for the coming months. But I wouldn't recommend this as a long term solution. Currently, all app updates are still available to 7.5 .

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                      OVH Cloud VPS does have AVX support on Intel Core Processor (Haswell, no TSX)

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                      • D dieter

                        Hi,
                        some noob question please.
                        Is it still secure to use v7.5.2?

                        I´m also a netcup user without AVX Support.

                        Thanx in advance.

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                        eddowding
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                        @dieter Ditto. Which is a bugger as I only just renewed in November and they dont like refunds / shifts. 😞

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                          Bye the way I moved from my Netcup to Unesty and their servers have AVX.

                          RYZEN GEN2 VPS | 12,61€/month (permanent 50% discount with xmas voucher)

                          • 6 AMD RYZEN™ 9 7950X3D vCores @ 4,2 - 5,7 GHz
                          • 16 GB DDR5 ECC RAM
                          • 400 GB NVMe SSD
                          • 1 IPv4-Address
                          • 1 Gbit/s Link
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                          • subvenS subven

                            Bye the way I moved from my Netcup to Unesty and their servers have AVX.

                            RYZEN GEN2 VPS | 12,61€/month (permanent 50% discount with xmas voucher)

                            • 6 AMD RYZEN™ 9 7950X3D vCores @ 4,2 - 5,7 GHz
                            • 16 GB DDR5 ECC RAM
                            • 400 GB NVMe SSD
                            • 1 IPv4-Address
                            • 1 Gbit/s Link
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                            @subven with that CPU, heck yes, nice and speedy.

                            Conscious tech

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                            • subvenS subven

                              Bye the way I moved from my Netcup to Unesty and their servers have AVX.

                              RYZEN GEN2 VPS | 12,61€/month (permanent 50% discount with xmas voucher)

                              • 6 AMD RYZEN™ 9 7950X3D vCores @ 4,2 - 5,7 GHz
                              • 16 GB DDR5 ECC RAM
                              • 400 GB NVMe SSD
                              • 1 IPv4-Address
                              • 1 Gbit/s Link
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                              @subven said in AVX Support in your VPS/Server:

                              Unesty

                              Had never heard of them, but seems their German servers are 100% green energy like Netcup and Hetzner etc and so seems I should add them to my list of such providers over at https://ud.coop/ecovps 🙂

                              Although seems odd that most of their VPS options are sold out 🤔

                              I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                              • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                                @subven said in AVX Support in your VPS/Server:

                                Unesty

                                Had never heard of them, but seems their German servers are 100% green energy like Netcup and Hetzner etc and so seems I should add them to my list of such providers over at https://ud.coop/ecovps 🙂

                                Although seems odd that most of their VPS options are sold out 🤔

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                                @jdaviescoates said in AVX Support in your VPS/Server:

                                Although seems odd that most of their VPS options are sold out

                                They appear to be a very small company that limits their offerings to the number of users they can support. After the big Christmas sale, they marked most of the offers as sold out in order to be able to serve all new customers.

                                @robi it is shared vCPU though but a big upgrade from SATA SSD's and even the network seems faster. My external backup takes half the time now (around 1h).

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                                • N Neiluj

                                  Going by the output of the "cat | grep" command, Cloud VPS from SSDnodes has AVX support.

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                                  @Neiluj was stressed - all my eggs are in SSDNodes' basket. Great to see the support is there!

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                                    schnarcher
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                                    well of course my host does not support avx. So, does this mean I will have to move to another provider, since I have to pay for this host until August this year?

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                                      In the long run its probably recommended, since mongodb does require this. We have plans to make that optional, but that of course means that you wont be able to use apps which rely on that database.

                                      I would first try to contact your server provider though and ask for the reason that its not supported, maybe its just a disabled flag on their side, which could be enabled.

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                                        I was testing a non-AVX setup again.

                                        I got a VPS 200 from netcup. The cheapest possible and this has AVX already.

                                        # cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep avx
                                        flags		: fpu de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx lm constant_tsc nopl xtopology cpuid tsc_known_freq pni pclmulqdq ssse3 cx16 pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic popcnt aes xsave avx rdrand hypervisor lahf_lm abm cpuid_fault invpcid_single pti ssbd ibrs ibpb invpcid md_clear arch_capabilities
                                        flags		: fpu de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx lm constant_tsc nopl xtopology cpuid tsc_known_freq pni pclmulqdq ssse3 cx16 pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic popcnt aes xsave avx rdrand hypervisor lahf_lm abm cpuid_fault invpcid_single pti ssbd ibrs ibpb invpcid md_clear arch_capabilities
                                        
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                                          oh yes, I love netcup !

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                                          Speed of a RS2000 G11

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