The Cloudron User Repository - CUR

The what?
CUR is deviated from AUR - Arch User Repository

AUR is awesome and makes it very easy for Arch Linux Users to install software from other users.

In similar fashion I would love such a feature in Cloudron.
I packaged:

• Greenlight
• Valheim Dedicated Server
• FiveM GTA V Multiplayer Server

From my 3 packaged apps only Greenlight made it into the app-store. Yet!
Why did Valheim and FiveM did not make it?
Simply put, the lack of users testing the app and reporting back.

Does Cloudron need an CUR?

Arch Linux is loved for the AUR and I am sure that CUR would also have this effect for Cloudron.
I believe many users do not test apps since they are used to the app-store and even the thought of touching the shell to install a community app with the cloudron-cli is very spooky to the targeted end-user of cloudron.
Especially on productive systems doing such thing is a no-go, since you want stable prod which does not fail you.

Now imagine a CUR.
With a simple click in the setting you can enable the CUR and can install a community app to test and give feedback.

This would decrease the barrier for end-users and @appdev(s).

This could also decrease work for maintaining apps if they stay community apps and are not suited for the general Cloudron app-store.
CUR should be excluded from Cloudron Support for obvious reasons.

I would love to get some thoughts on this.

Cheers,
Elias

(ps: I am aware of many side effects of AUR/CUR and stale unmaintained packages, but AUR still rocks )

@uiguy okay lets start

@uiguy said in How to Take Cloudron Even Further:

I appreciate that there is the package maintenance aspect, but from what I have seen about the support structure, there seem to only be 2/3 guys supporting the maintenance... how can this be enough to support an entire app ecosystem

Everyone having the APP DEV to their name is a Cloudron App Developer, so in extend a supporter of the ecosystem.
For example I am the maintenance guy of the Greenlight app.
My job circles around Greenlight and BigBlueButton as well. So its in my own best interest to provide updates which just works without any hustle since I have a lot of Greenlights running for customers and doing something that does NOT work effects my own work

Another example would be Dolibarr from @erics who is a developer of Dolibarr.

@uiguy said in How to Take Cloudron Even Further:

I am battling to see why we would rely on cloudron and the associated app store is quite limited as opposed to something like running docker direct?

Reliability and Repeatable.
I have restored multible Cloudrons from full backups, single app backups and literally never had it fail me.
Having the option to roll back to the previous version with 1-Click. What a dream!
Not to mention the package / backup policy to minimize the backup footprint.
For example my self maintained Valheim Gameserver App where we discuss about what is backup worthy.

Having the option to sync Cloudron to an external LDAP also just adds another cherry on top.
Having multible Cloudrons synced to a central LDAP. Sweet.
User und Customer management from 1 place deployed to X Servers with Groups and Permissions.

@uiguy said in How to Take Cloudron Even Further:

I guess, what I am in need of, is some education as to why I would advise we invest in cloudron when we could simply deploy docker with something like portainer and watchtower for package maintenance?

I don't mean to sound negative at all, but I simply want to understand what the value proposition is, especially if I have to compare the available packages on docker vs cloudron?

That is the best part, you don't have to!
You can make your own app, you are NOT limited.
The so called gilded cage with Cloudron is the knowledge you wish to have about the system.
Gitlab of every app https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron

There is more which I could mention, but these are just some thoughts of mine.
Check out this topic where people tell what are your favourite things features about cloudron

https://store.steampowered.com/app/892970/Valheim/

This game got recently released on steam and hit quite the trend.

https://steamdb.info/app/892970/graphs/

Having this server as an app would be nice.

And the work is already done!

https://git.cloudron.io/BrutalBirdie/valheim-gameserver-app

Needs some fine work with doc, screenshots and all.

But it's live and running at https://valheim.deadsec.net/

https://github.com/ViViDboarder/vaultwarden_ldap

https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden/wiki/Syncing-users-from-LDAP

Since the Vaultwarden app right now has its own user management it would be nice to also have the LDAP functionality here as well.

1. Community behind Cloudron (Devs / Forum / Community)
2. click restore / backups ! reliable backups !
3. LDAP Integration

I can understand the wish for a chat, but I agree with @nebulon and everyone else endorsing the official forum.

Having the conversation in the official forum has many benefits.

Lets just switch into the mindset of a new Cloudron user / developer.

Just as an example:

• I need the lamp app but with php 5.X.
• Why is there no php 5 lamp app?
• How can I create a custom php 5 app?

What do most people do? They will type that question into a search engine.

Chat vs. Forum

If this discussion would take place in the chat, there would be no way for a new user to find public and easy access to that information about this issue/question.
How should they know they need to go threw a chat with X people talking about all different kind of topics.
Also you lock this information behind a software like matrix, rocketchat, slack, matermost yada yada.

New users want answers which are accessible without needing to sign up for anything.

Compared to an open discussion in the forum, which will be scraped by search engines and will be publicly available with no need to sign up or do anything to access this information.

IMHO chat is nice, but when using one there has to be a policy where findings and solutions must be also published in this forum.
And enforcing such a policy or even establish such will be hard.

That's just what I have in mind about a chat.

Cheers

I would like someone to review my greenlight-app.
Just heads up this is my first app for Cloudron so I expect some issues but I will be happy to fix and learn from them.

@loudlemur said in Monkey See, Monkey Do: Cloudron Video Explainers:

It might be a bit much to ask for the person who is knowledgeable about Cloudron to also have a sense of humor

Excuuuuuussseee meeeeeeh?

Are you suggesting that using Cloudron and being knowledgeable about it robs you of all humor since it drains your life essence?

Common we Germans are known worldwide for our humor

@doodlemania2 @micmc

Top notch roles from https://galaxy.ansible.com/geerlingguy
https://www.youtube.com/user/geerlingguy
Consider donating to him

@jlx89 I think this is what you are looking for.

https://docs.cloudron.io/backups/#import-app-backup

@LoudLemur

I manage a Cloudron with, wait let me count... 50 domains.
Each Domain has it's own Website and E-Mail I/O.
~150 Users

Each Domain has its Cloudron Group which can access only their Domain Website and apps.

So yea it works.

This setup also triggered this error
https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/5474/installing-webmail-app-leading-to-database-error-er_data_too_long-data-too-long-for-column-value-at-row-8

Looks like we are all good now.
I will submit a PR for the docs on gitlab for a migration step.

@loudlemur

curl wttr.in

Could you be a bit more precise?

I am currently working on the greenlight Cloudron App for BigBlueButton.
So far the basic functionality is working fine but the ldap-auth is giving me trouble.

Right now the /app/code/bin/start script writes these variables

sed -i -e "s/LDAP_SERVER=.*/LDAP_SERVER=$CLOUDRON_LDAP_SERVER/g" /app/data/.env \
&& sed -i -e "s/LDAP_PORT=.*/LDAP_PORT=$CLOUDRON_LDAP_PORT/g" /app/data/.env \
&& sed -i -e "s/LDAP_BASE=.*/LDAP_BASE=$CLOUDRON_LDAP_USERS_BASE_DN/g" /app/data/.env \
&& sed -i -e "s/LDAP_BIND_DN=.*/LDAP_BIND_DN=$CLOUDRON_LDAP_BIND_DN/g" /app/data/.env \
&& sed -i -e "s/LDAP_PASSWORD=.*/LDAP_PASSWORD=$CLOUDRON_LDAP_BIND_PASSWORD=/g" /app/data/.env \
&& sed -i -e "s/LDAP_METHOD=.*/LDAP_METHOD=plain/g" /app/data/.env \
&& sed -i -e "s/LDAP_UID=.*/LDAP_UID=cn/g" /app/data/.env \
&& sed -i -e "s/LDAP_AUTH=.*/LDAP_AUTH=simple/g" /app/data/.env \
&& sed -i -e "s/LDAP_FILTER=.*/LDAP_FILTER=\(\&\(objectclass=user\)\(\|\(username=%uid\)\(mail=%uid\)\)\)/g" /app/data/.env \
&& sed -i -e "s/LDAP_ATTRIBUTE_MAPPING=.*/LDAP_ATTRIBUTE_MAPPING=uid=uid;name=displayname;email=mail;nickname=givenName;/g" /app/data/.env

But the LDAP Login fails.

INFO: [af608168-79eb-41e2-818c-1e514f0306bd] method=POST path=/auth/ldap format=html controller=SessionsController action=ldap status=302 duration=17.26 view=0.00 db=0.71 location=https://greenlight.stage.gzevd.de/ldap_signin host=greenlight 
INFO: [70994248-8131-4f51-bfdb-db159292bca0] method=GET path=/ldap_signin format=html controller=SessionsController action=ldap_signin status=200 duration=21.65 view=15.03 db=0.86 host=greenlight 

Maybe someone can help out?

I just pushed my work here: https://git.cloudron.io/BrutalBirdie/greenlight-app
ps: Please ignore my .gitlab-ci.yml this is for my own gitlab for deploying and testing the App.

EDIT:
Thanks @nebulon
The LDAP_UID was wrong. Has to be username
And the Filter can be deleted.
Pushed.

@d19dotca

Update. I have finished my mail server name change.

All the dns records where updated automatically, even the custom MX record on namecheap if it existed before.

The one thing that confused me second was the PTR record aka. reverse dns.

Just went to hetzner and fixed that. All working no problems.

@loudlemur I thought about doing just that multible times now.

https://fivem.net/

FiveM is a modification for Grand Theft Auto V enabling you to play multiplayer on customized dedicated servers, powered by Cfx.re.

and it's done and could be added as wip.

https://git.cloudron.io/BrutalBirdie/fivem-app

@cs9103 Well this is a rather disappointing answer.

Please when writing forum posts, questions, answers always keep in mind that the other person reading your text must understand you precisely to prevent misconceptions.
At best there should be no room for speculations since these lead to mistakes understanding you.

Right now I read @micmc answer:

either on your local network, OR on a remote location (i.e on a VPS in the cloud).

You @cs9103 answer with:

it always was

"It always was", what!? local machine or VPS?
Please understand that this kind of communication can get frustrating really fast when it could be done so much easier with a bit more precise wording.

Again.

Please provide a precise explanation of your setup.

@robi Yes of course this works! I am well aware of that and as I stated to often, backup and restore imho is one of the best features of Cloudron.

But Monke only setup Mailserver! Monke ignores error message!

In my Head.

First Video

Disclaimer.
Informing about the resources.
Docs, Forum, Gitlab yada yada.
Consequences.

Second Video

Backups!
How to setup and even how to test your Backup (dry run)

Everything else can be done after that.
But these two parts should come first.

@jdaviescoates but its bad, really bad! - And Outdated! 2.3.0 < 2.3.10
I maintain the official Ansible role for BBB and stay in close contact to at least 25 Admins from universities in Germany.
They basically uniformly agreed that the Hetzner BBB app is unusable for any real work with BBB.

The Ansible Role:
https://github.com/ebbba-org/ansible-role-bigbluebutton

Maybe we should add this to the doc?
https://docs.cloudron.io/installation/

Minimum Requirements

Cloudron requires at least 1GB RAM, 20GB Disk space. Make sure the firewall does not block port 80 (http) and 443 (https). Cloudron does not support running on ARM, LXC or OpenVZ.

Maybe adding Docker in there as well to prevent confusion.

@privsec use the ansible role and you have a major win.

I currently maintain multiple BBB clusters, Load-Balancers and Turn servers all via ansible and my work time for that is pretty much zero thanks to ansible.

@jordanurbs said in Can we have a "Freelance Work" group on the forum please?:

Yes please! I need help installing forks of certain apps as custom cloudron apps. I have the skillset to figure it out eventually, just not the time.

Because of that, i would love to throw someone a little money to help get me started.

For future readers:

This doc explains what is needed - https://docs.cloudron.io/custom-apps/tutorial/

TL;DR

• Create an account on DockerHub - https://hub.docker.com/
• Go to your Cloudron instance https://my.domain.tld/#/settings and configure the Private Docker Registry Server: docker.io and your login details
• Install the cloudron cli on your local machine

  sudo npm install -g cloudron
  

• Get your forked app

  git clone https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/tutorial-nodejs-app nodejs-app
  

• Build the image and push it

  # enter app directory
  $ cd nodejs-app
  
  # build the app
  $ docker build -t username/nodejs-app:1.0.0 .
  
  # push the image. if the push fails, you have to 'docker login' with your username
  $ docker push username/nodejs-app:1.0.0
  

• Install

  cloudron install --image username/nodejs-app:1.0.0
  

Done.
For further information please visit the official documentation.

@p44 said in Where I can find SMTP credentials for Statping?:

@brutalbirdie Of course I checked doc references before post a message here... also searched several keywords in the forum, on the docs.

But it would be redundant and useless to specify each time before posting a question: "Hello, I did a search before to post, I googled, I searched docs, I searched forum, so this is my question and bla bla bla".

I could have easily opened a ticket for technical assistance and had a private answer, but the answers to the questions asked in private can be useful to the whole community.

Posting a question on the forum, which is not clearly answered in the app documentation, may make it easier for other users to search for the same thing and find a path to resolve issues.

In fact, first bullet in app documentation is:

Questions? Ask in the Cloudron Forum - Statping

You should understand that not everyone here is a developer. Is only a simple user. Also with Linux command line, not everyone here is expert like you.

Commands like "printenv", "grep", and so ... never used that before.

That's why I'm a Cloudron customer: to make life easier.

So I totally reject your starting answer: I'm not here to take lessons of netiquette.

I learned "on the ground" that installing a Worpdress instance or a LAMP instance, you can find credential in "credential.txt"...

About your suggestion: I appreciate very much your answer, and time you spent finding a solution, thank's a lot for advice.

With printenv | grep -i CLOUDRON_MAIL I solved my question so I can move forward.

Many many thank's for your patience and sorry if my answer can little bit hitting you.

Edit:
@girish May be it could be useful to write "credential.txt" also for Statping?

I think you got me totally wrong.
I did not intend to imply you did not read the docs or did not try.
Or appear to disliked you asking this. I fully agree with your statement:

Posting a question on the forum, which is not clearly answered in the app documentation, may make it easier for other users to search for the same thing and find a path to resolve issues.
No, not at all!

I am fully aware most cloudron users, use cloudron because it makes things a lot easier.
And I do not expect every user to be a linux power user.
My reply was more like a "help for helping yourself" if this makes sense.

My solution is written in a mindset of general help for any app, which also helps people in the future reading this or searching for this.
We all know forums where people just reply - Yea this is the solution but since the project scope and features can change I try to do my best to provide feedback which has long term help. In this case of educating the workflow of finding information about an app.

If I have offended you in any way I am sorry about that and did not intend to do so.

People switching to Cloudron might have Gitlab running somewhere else already and want to migrate their Gitlab to the Cloudron app.

Problem is trying to follow the official Gitlab documentation for restoring from a backup.

https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/raketasks/backup_restore.html#restore-gitlab

A guide with Cloudron would be great!

Did anyone ever did this?

Oof nope.
I have packaged the GTA V FiveM Server for Cloudron which is stable, but I did not care enough to release it

I got asked by at least 5 communities I am supporting if cloudron can support more game apps.
We could start packaging every server available from https://linuxgsm.com/servers/.

But pfffffffffffffffffttttttttttttttttttt.... if someone wants that they can request it

@nebulon Changes pushed.

@robi said in Chat channel for cloudron app packaging:

@appdev
It would brilliant if NodeBB could instatiate a chat within the appdev group right here in NodeBB.

That would do for quick discussions, and no need to leave the forum.

You can start a chat with anyone from appdev and add the members.

I can do that now as an example.

I think the best option would be, if you have a question to start a forum topic and just @appdev directly.
Yes you could argue that every one gets a notification, but in the chat it would be the same thing, kind of.

Adding to that, I also see no setting for Notifications & Sounds in NodeBB to stop notifications from @appdev mentions.

Lets use this topic to collect some ideas what sort of videos would be best.

As a note from myself. In my opinion.

The first video, if there is going to be a series, having Monkey See, Monkey Do in mind is informing the viewer of the consequences should be the first and most important step.

You can use and love a product for years until it fails and the monkey will be mad at the product, even if it was an user error.

Your server, your data, your Cloudron. But more important your responsibility!

I already have a user in my mind, which just follows the X-th video on Cloudron Mailserver and everything works fine.
He uses Cloudron as his own private Mailserver for maybe two years.
Switches from Gmail to his own Cloudron Mailserver

But then suddenly the Data-Center is burning down (OVH Fire - The Register | OVHcloud Wikipedia) .
Oh no! He never setup the backup and only had it on the server drive!

Yes you can blame the user, but trying to mitigate this is very important.
Cloudron does a lot to ensure everything works as intended.
Cloudron will annoy you every day that your backups are not safe!

There is so much more.
Finances? To make sure the user understands that if he commits to use Cloudron as his own private Mailserver, Nextcloud yada yada. He has to understand that he will have to pay for this server.

Legal stuff? OpenVPN? Nice! Here buddy use MY OpenVPN... Wait you downloaded REDACTED with my VPN and now I get a letter from company XYZ to pay for ¿? or a criminal charge?

This sounds so simple, I know but... Monkey See, Monkey Do

I turned down approximately 10 people from running their own Cloudron since I had to explain to them the consequences.
And after thinking about the consequences they decided they did not want such responsibility.
Which is OK! And its better to realize this early.

But! From those 10 people three came back and challenged them self.
And these three users are still running Cloudron and yes they hit me up now and then but my answer is almost always... Did you read the docs and if so did you ask the forum?

Just my thoughts printed out.
Have a good night!

In addition to App Wish BigBlueButton.

I already created the greenlight-app which needs review.

Maybe we can get some person from BBB/Greenlight to help with the review and tuning?

@msbt Nice guide!

There is something that I miss tho.
I like to run my cloudron apps local first so I can see if everything is working as intended.
This only works to a certain level for example this can't work if a database addon is used.
But everything before that step can be tested locally.

A full local test suite would be awesome, so I the developer don't have to push every test and deploy it.

For example this is how I do some local testing before I push my image.

Needed software is jq for json parsing, docker, bash, sed

Script explained with words:

• Get the ID and version Tag from the CloudronManifest.json and use them for docker build.
• Create local folders for /tmp /app/data and /run so I can emulate cloudrons readonly behavior.
• Cleanup local folders so every test is fresh and clean
• Build the docker image with Data from CloudronManifest.json
• Run the freshly build Image in readonly mode with local test folders and an interactive bash session so I can debug / test some stuff.

#!/bin/bash

set -x

ID=$(jq -r ".id" CloudronManifest.json)
VERSION=$(jq -r ".version" CloudronManifest.json')

echo "=> Create Test Data dir"
mkdir -p ./cloudron_test/data ./cloudron_test/tmp ./cloudron_test/run

echo "=> Cleanup Test Data"
rm -rf ./cloudron_test/data/* ./cloudron_test/tmp/* ./cloudron_test/run/*

echo "=> Build test image"
docker build -t dr.cloudron.dev/$ID:$VERSION .

echo "=> Run $VERSION tag of build image of $ID"
docker run -ti --read-only \
    --volume $(pwd)/cloudron_test/data:/app/data:rw \
    --volume $(pwd)/cloudron_test/tmp:/tmp:rw \
    --volume $(pwd)/cloudron_test/run:/run:rw \
    dr.cloudron.dev/$ID:$VERSION \
    bash

Did any start working on this App?
Because if not, I will start working on it.

@jeau hmm another good catch.

The problem with Greenlight is also, every time you make .env file changes you need to restart the app to take effect.

I will look into this option and make an update tomorrow.

Thanks for reporting.

@Captain-Kirk said in openHAB Cloud - for the openHAB open-source home automation software:

@nebulon Are there any plans to provide openHAB? Seems to be dockerized

I work a lot with openHAB and we (my company and me - GzEvD mbH. openHAB foundation) are also foundation members of openHAB.

openHAB in Cloudron makes only sense if the server is located in your local network, which is not the normal use-case for Cloudron in my opinion. Edit: This is very well a use-case after remembering all the questions about cloudron on pi etc.

Unless... oh no this might work.. using the Cloudron VPN as VPN into your local net so the Cloudron openHAB Client can access your local net. (Please don't...)
Argg if this works even the openHAB Client would make sense in Cloudron.

The openHAB Cloud app I can support.
The openHAB Client as well.

@micmc sorry but the variables are so big for errors.
https://docs.bigbluebutton.org/support/troubleshooting.html#webrtc-errors-1001-1002

1007: ICE negotiation failed - The browser and FreeSWITCH try to negotiate ports to use to stream the media and that negotiation failed. Possible Causes:

NAT is blocking the connection
Firewall is blocking the UDP connection/ports

I am never running coturn on the same server as BBB, since I want my coturn to run on port 443 for very restrictive networks.
For example state agencies who only allow outgoing 80,443,25,465,587 and some more.

You can check your turn server here: https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/peerconnection/trickle-ice/
When starting a BBB Session press F12 go to the console and search for turn you will the credentials for this session which you can use for testing with trickle-ice.

Looks something like this

Sun Nov 28 2021 10:46:52 GMT+0100 (Central European Standard Time) | sip.UserAgent | · sessionDescriptionHandlerFactoryOptions: {"peerConnectionConfiguration":{"iceServers":[{"urls":"stun:turn.DOMAIN.TLD"},{"urls":"turns:DOMAIN.TLD:443?transport=tcp","credential":"N0ABNdyp4PaFQLowdq8sekjgGjI=","username":"1638179212:w_mcllm4lvdd4y"}],"sdpSemantics":"unified-plan"}}

Also a good place to look in firefox is about:webrtc to see where the connection between your client and the server the error occurs.

Like I said, many variables

edit:
Also you can force the usage of turn in firefox by going to about:config and setting media.peerconnection.ice.relay_only to true this way turn is forced.

I uploaded a little Demo, if you like you can watch it. (No Sound)

Youtube Video

Also just adding the official help article here.

https://bitwarden.com/help/article/change-client-environment/#browser-extensions-desktop-apps-and-mobile-apps

ps: I also use bitwarden every day, and here is one of my favorite projects to use with bitwarden on a linux client.

https://github.com/mattydebie/bitwarden-rofi

Update

https://git.cloudron.io/BrutalBirdie/valheim-gameserver-app

[0.0.11]
* Updated Server Parameters
* Fixed spelling mistake for supervisord
* Updated App icon
* Fixed Output of Server to display paramters of `/app/data/.env`

[0.0.12]
* Better readable output of server start
* Updated README

Diff:
https://git.cloudron.io/BrutalBirdie/valheim-gameserver-app/-/commit/b5a39e7e8e599b4668edd1b20f1b2f54f6e7a038

@subtlecourage OK so default the volume is mounted with permissions for root.

You can check this in the web terminal:

ls -lah /media/

root@d2ff17d2-7106-48bc-87bc-fab2342c0059:/app/code# ls -lah /media/
total 12K
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4.0K Oct  3 20:07 .
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4.0K Oct  3 20:07 ..
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4.0K Oct  3 20:09 portfolio

But this is wrong. If you check the permissions of /app/data/

ls -lah /app/data/

rwxr-xr-x 4 cloudron cloudron 4.0K Oct  3 20:06 .
drwxr-xr-x 1 root     root     4.0K Oct  3 20:07 ..
drwx------ 3 cloudron cloudron 4.0K Oct  3 20:09 config
drwxr-xr-x 2 cloudron cloudron 4.0K Oct  3 20:06 folders

The user is cloudron.

We can also check which user is running the process:

ps uax

USER         PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
root           1  0.1  0.0  28480 23648 pts/0    Ss+  20:17   0:00 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/supervisord --configuration /etc/supervisor/supervisord.conf --nodaemon -i syncthing
cloudron      12  0.0  0.0 725144 16408 pts/0    Sl   20:17   0:00 /app/code/syncthing -gui-address=127.0.0.1:3000 -home=/app/data/config -no-browser -auditfile=-
root          13  0.0  0.0  18840  6184 pts/0    S    20:17   0:00 nginx: master process /usr/sbin/nginx -c /app/code/nginx.conf
cloudron      18  0.0  0.0  19188  3376 pts/0    S    20:17   0:00 nginx: worker process
cloudron      19  0.0  0.0  18984  2372 pts/0    S    20:17   0:00 nginx: cache manager process
cloudron      24  2.2  0.0 728088 49152 pts/0    SNl  20:17   0:02 /app/code/syncthing -gui-address=127.0.0.1:3000 -home=/app/data/config -no-browser -auditfile=-
root          39  0.0  0.0   4240  3460 pts/1    Ss   20:17   0:00 /bin/bash
root          58  0.0  0.0   5896  2828 pts/1    R+   20:19   0:00 ps uax

and the process is also running as user cloudron.

Now you can simple change the permissions for /media/portfolio

chown -R cloudron:cloudron /media/portfolio

Then reload Syncthing (browser refresh).

Now there is this warning / error hmmmm

@zylstra true, just ask

@cs9103
This has come cluttered and confusing.

Please provide a precise description of your setup.

The url should be https://<THE IP OF THE DEVICE RUNNING CLOUDRON>/.

If you are this stuck, maybe it would be good to start from step 0.
Reinstall Ubuntu and start from the get-go.

@girish said in I need to migrate an old Moodle to my new Cloudron Moodle--what are the DB details?:

@jordanurbs the cloudron package uses postgres. So try env | grep POSTGRESQL

@jordanurbs
You can find out what addons being used for a cloudron app by checking the repo

https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/moodle-app

and the CloudronManifest.json

https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/moodle-app/-/blob/master/CloudronManifest.json

{
  "id": "org.moodle.cloudronapp",
  "title": "Moodle",
  "author": "Moodle developers",
  "description": "file://DESCRIPTION.md",
  "tagline": "The world's most popular learning management system",
  "version": "1.0.0",
  "healthCheckPath": "/",
  "httpPort": 8000,
  "memoryLimit": 524288000,
  "manifestVersion": 2,
  "website": "https://moodle.org/",
  "contactEmail": "support@cloudron.io",
  "icon": "logo.png",
  "addons": {
    "postgresql": {},
    "localstorage": {},
    "sendmail": {},
    "ldap": {},
    "scheduler": {
      "periodic": {
          "schedule": "*/1 * * * *",
          "command": "/usr/bin/php  /app/code/admin/cli/cron.php >/dev/null"
      }
    }
  },
  "tags": [ "moodle", "learning", "lms", "canvas", "blackboard", "edutech" ],
  "changelog": "file://CHANGELOG",
  "postInstallMessage": "file://POSTINSTALL.md",
  "mediaLinks": [
    "https://screenshots.cloudron.io/org.moodle.cloudronapp/1.png",
    "https://screenshots.cloudron.io/org.moodle.cloudronapp/2.png",
    "https://screenshots.cloudron.io/org.moodle.cloudronapp/3.jpg"
  ],
  "minBoxVersion": "5.3.0",
  "forumUrl": "https://forum.cloudron.io/category/102/moodle",
  "documentationUrl": "https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/moodle/"
}

Or when you open the logs you should have a button for Postgres or MySQL

@murgero I am going through your review while writing this.

Cloudron does it’s

Shouldn't it be:

Cloudron does its

?
(ps: I am no native englisch speaker, so excuse me if it might be wrong)

It has access to LDAP as well so you can integrate into Cloudron’s Login system.

This is the first time in your review mentioning the Cloudron Login system / LDAP.
I think it would be good to mention this as a standalone feature like Backup or the DNS feature which you did before in a standalone section / paragraph.
Since the LDAP functionality plays a big part. Having the same login for almost every app is just fantastic.
Also the possibility to hook Cloudron into an existing LDAP is just another big bonus.

Besides that I think your article is a good introduction to Cloudron.
Cloudron has many more features which could be highlighted and shows but for a small article this would be too much!
This would end up in a tutorial style.

I could simply tell you how, but I would like to use this as education. (Sorry it hit you :D)

Where can I find X Information about app Y?

First of all the doc of the app.
In your example: https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/statping/

This doc did not help. What now?

Lets go deeper. You know you want the SMTP Setting for the app.
Well let's check out the app on gitlab: https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/statping-app

Every Cloudron app has a CloudronManifest.json lets take a look at the CloudronManifest.json|

{
  "id": "com.statping.cloudronapp",
  "version": "1.0.0",
  "title": "Statping",
  "tagline": "Web and App Status Monitoring",
  "website": "https://statping.com/",
  "contactEmail": "support@cloudron.io",
  "author": "Statping developers",
  "healthCheckPath": "/health",
  "configurePath": "/dashboard",
  "tags": [ "monitor", "ping", "status", "uptime" ],
  "httpPort": 8080,
  "addons": {
    "localstorage": {},
    "postgresql": {},
    "sendmail": {}
  },
  "mediaLinks": [
    "https://screenshots.cloudron.io/com.statping.cloudronapp/statping01.png",
    "https://screenshots.cloudron.io/com.statping.cloudronapp/statping02.png"
  ],
  "changelog": "file://CHANGELOG",
  "description": "file://DESCRIPTION.md",
  "manifestVersion": 2,
  "postInstallMessage": "file://POSTINSTALL.md",
  "minBoxVersion": "5.4.0",
  "capabilities": [ "ping" ],
  "forumUrl": "https://forum.cloudron.io/category/92/statping",
  "documentationUrl": "https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/statping",
  "icon": "file://logo.png"
}

We can get from this that the addons: localstorage, postgresql and sendmail is used.

Let's go back to https://docs.cloudron.io/ and put addons in the search, leads to this https://docs.cloudron.io/custom-apps/addons/ where we can view the sendmail addon docs.

sendmail

The sendmail addon can be used to send email from the application.

Exported environment variables:

CLOUDRON_MAIL_SMTP_SERVER=     # the mail server (relay) that apps can use. this can be an IP or DNS name
CLOUDRON_MAIL_SMTP_PORT=       # the mail server port. Currently, this port disables TLS and STARTTLS.
CLOUDRON_MAIL_SMTPS_PORT=      # SMTPS server port.
CLOUDRON_MAIL_SMTP_USERNAME=   # the username to use for authentication
CLOUDRON_MAIL_SMTP_PASSWORD=   # the password to use for authentication
CLOUDRON_MAIL_FROM=            # the "From" address to use
CLOUDRON_MAIL_DOMAIN=          # the domain name to use for email sending (i.e username@domain)

These are variables which can be echoed in the app web-terminal.
So go to your app web-terminal and do:

echo CLOUDRON_MAIL_SMTP_SERVER

You can redo this step for each variable or do:

printenv | grep -i CLOUDRON_MAIL

@plusone-nick thanks for posting this, I just watched the whole thing.

I also use Namecheap for my private Domains and I am very happy with them.

The initial "pain" with "Namecheap API Access" can be a put off, but the Namecheap live chat will help with that.

@saikarthik said in Are you able to see your emails, like a mailbox, in Dolibarr?:

Dolibarr

Tagging @erics since he is the appdev of this app and might know something.

@girish

https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/docs/-/merge_requests/28

I created a PR for this topic as a guide.
Have fun reading and fixing my mistakes (if there is something to change hit me up in a dm/chat/PR)

@girish said in Changing the Mail server location from my.* to something else:

BTW, it will also adjust the DNS as required as long as you use one of the programmatic DNS providers. Otherwise, you have to set this up manually (go to the Status view of each domain after you change the location).

Yes will have to do that since I use namecheap. Thanks for the response.

EDIT:
Will change that later this day and will report the process for future readers.

@Lonk said in Should I switch to Cloudflare?:

@BrutalBirdie What’s the initial pain of API access. I haven’t used them in years. But I use to use their API after they updated their interface and made it horrible - and started using their API for all my changes. I was building Wordpress integration into Namecheap actually - when adding or changing to a new domain in Wordpress Multisite, it would check my Namecheap and configure the DNS, just like Cloudron or if I didn’t own the domain, it checked it’s availability and offered to purchase it on Name heap and configure the DNS. All without leaving the Wordpress Web App.

It was amazing. But I have yet to make the same thing for NameSilo but I’m planning too. Their API is even better.

@girish said in Should I switch to Cloudflare?:

@Lonk said in Should I switch to Cloudflare?:

@BrutalBirdie What’s the initial pain of API access. I haven’t used them in years. But I use to use their API

namecheap requires you to manually whilelist every IP that uses their API. He is probably referring to that.

Yes and No.

My 'initial pain' was that the api access is locked for new users, there was a text like 'you need to have 50€ balance' or something strange restriction.
But after chatting with the live chat I told them I want to host SaaS Services (aka. Cloudron ) and need api access to automatically change domains.

They had no problem with that and enabled it for me with no questions asked.

I'm assuming you're using BigBlueButton 2.3-alpha-2 as the basis for this?

@jdaviescoates the Greenlight App is just the front end for BigBlueButton.
As @luckow mentioned BBB can be installed anywhere and Greenlight is just the front end which connects to a specific BBB instance or cluster to provide a UI etc.

I love the addition of the File Manager but when using Cloudron it can be pain to access.
I don't want to click config>console>File Manager every time.

There is a log button on the app tile, which includes a button for the Terminal. Why not also include a button for the File Manager?

I would like something like this

ps: Please ignore the css spacing issue I just hacked it into there to get an idea

Since version 5.6 it is possible to change the mail server location.

My question, if changing that to something else, like mail.* will I have to reconfigure all cloudron apps?
I know clients and software outside of cloudron for sure but also the cloudron-apps?

Did anyone do that already and can you share your experience?

Cheers

@scooke I created a service user which is responsible for this task.

The user is called mail.man

@nebulon said in BigBlueButton - web conferencing system for on-line learning:

I took a brief look at the app and overall it appears to work. Thanks a lot!

Some things to improve:

• I was not sure how to login with the pre-setup admin, since I didn't know the admin email address
• The tests need also test admin login
• The tests need some code cleanup
• Since it is only the webfrontend as far as I can tell, the icon has to somehow reflect this
• The postinstall docs need to mention the fact that the backend has to be adjusted to not use the default test backend

• The Admin E-Mail address is the Mail FROM Address aka. CLOUDRON_MAIL_SMTP_USERNAME variable from e-mail addon also noted in the POSTINSTALL.md. As far as I am aware of I can not write the POSTINSTALL.md dynamically to display the env CLOUDRON_MAIL_SMTP_USERNAME.
  So either I have to do a better job to explain how to get the E-Mail address from Terminal or the log or use a static e-mail address.
  What would be the status quo to for this type of issue?
• Will add the test for admin login as well (above issue again, hmm so static admin e-mail would be better?)
• Understandable
• Greenlight has no own Icon sadly, I would suggest the BBB Icon but in Green?
• Will add that.

Cheers.

@jordanurbs

Your explanation lacks details for the cloudron manifest json. What's the reason for that?

Sorry typical developer here. The question was "installing forks of certain apps" so I assumed everything else is done

If you want to, we can have a small session 15 Minuten +- and I can show you the ropes.

I got free time around 19:00-00:00 o'clock every day. (Europe/Berlin Time)

EDIT:

but the reality is that it still doesn't change the need for freelancers

Of course not!

@girish feeling lazy, will wait for the official update

@girish said in Backup Strategy Advice:

As already suggested, for large data, it's best to use a hard disk / storage box. Just nfs or cigs mount it . S3 storage is not ideal for large backups, especially large file count. Ideally, choose a block storage which is in same data center.

In the future, we do plan to integrate something like restic or borg which will give us encrypted differential backups. I don't expect this in the next 3 months though.

https://forum.duplicati.com/t/big-comparison-borg-vs-restic-vs-arq-5-vs-duplicacy-vs-duplicati/9952

The above link could be useful for comparison between restic and borg.
But never trust, do your own tests.

ps: I dont know what duplicati is... I just found this comparison

@nebulon said in BigBlueButton - web conferencing system for on-line learning:

For the email address, we use admin@server.local in such a case. Hopefully it is possible to change this later by the user, just like the pre-setup password?

Yes e-mail and password can be changed.
And I will use admin@server.local.

Thanks for the input.

@marcusquinn Ah yes the self-explanatory ...

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app.

Mine is even worse: