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Cloudron doesn't have a social media scheduling tool in its app catalogue, so let me suggest one - Postiz

The app is written in NodeJS using Postgres and can be self-hosted.

It connects to all major platforms. It is quite new, though, so no information about how well it will be supported.

Here is the link to the website.

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• Main Page: https://www.firecrawl.dev
• Git: https://github.com/mendableai/firecrawl
• Licence: GNU Affero General Public License v3.0
• Docker: Yes https://github.com/mendableai/firecrawl/blob/main/docker-compose.yaml
• Demo: https://www.firecrawl.dev/playground?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcloudron.io&mode=scrape

• Summary:
  Firecrawl (https://www.firecrawl.dev) is a web scraping tool that prepares data in LLM-readable format that can be self-hosted.
  Crawl and convert any website into LLM-ready markdown or structured data. Built by Mendable.ai and the Firecrawl community. Includes powerful scraping, crawling and data extraction capabilities.

• This repository is in its early development stages. We are still merging custom modules in the mono repo. It's not completely yet ready for full self-host deployment, but you can already run it locally.

• Notes:
  Cloudron doesn't have a self-hosted scraper yet, so maybe this could be a good addition.
  Here is the self-hosting guide: https://github.com/mendableai/firecrawl/blob/main/SELF_HOST.md

• Alternative to / Libhunt link: e.g.
• Screenshots:

For all developers who work with large language models and prompts, there are graphical user interfaces that can make life easier.

Dify.ai is especially good and, that's the best part, it can be self-hosted.
Self-hosting documentation: https://docs.dify.ai/getting-started/install-self-hosted

Feature overview:

• Building visual prompt workflows
• Supports multiple LLMs, incl. open-source ones
• Supports RAGs and vector databases
• It has an API that you can use to integrate into your own application
• You can log and evaluate your user's requests

I searched for a long time for a good open solution, and came to the conclusion that this is my favourite.

I would love to see this on cloudron and maybe other developers who work with LLMs might agree.

I think this deserves attention again. Why should we have Amnezia on Cloudron when there is already a VPN app? The difference is that Amnezia works absolutely spotless in China (battle-tested during vacation there) whereas the VPN app in Cloudron stopped working after half an hour, and even commercial VPNs I tried had a hard time connecting sometimes.

I believe Amnezia could be a superior solution over the current VPN app.

My feature request is that Cloudron should offer backups as a provider itself for an additional fee. Hear me out.

This is why I think it would be a good idea:

• The code is basically already there. Cloudron has backup and restore code and I can manage my backups from the cloudron dashboard. The rest (e.g. encryption algorithm) is open-source.
• Cloudron has the knowledge of how to build secure infrastructure.
• Cloudron could get a good, potentially discounted deal with a white-label infrastructure provider, potentially using the same hardware as one of the bigger names out there, but using much simpler software.
• It would be a great additional add-on for cloudron to upsell existing customers with more value.
• Cloudron Backup would only exist for cloudron users. There is no need to build a website, a UI, or do marketing. Only existing cloudron users can optionally use it. This means the large overhead the other providers have wouldn't exist. Cloudron can turn this into an add-on, this shouldn't be a standalone product (as that has been done before)
• I trust Cloudron already with my server infrastructure, the code could easily be open-sourced as the value is in the infrastructure, not the code, so trust can be built easily.

Here is why I would use Cloudron backup instead of one of the existing providers:

• Some of the existing providers target enterprise clients
• Some are really expensivevalue
• Basically all of them have a shitty UI that I don't really need anyway
• The only thing I really need is lots of affordable GB, and for them to be secure. And perhaps a very simple UI (e.g. like the file manager for volumes) to access the backup from outside of Cloudron. That's basically it, no additional settings needed.

A solution integrated into Cloudron could be easier to set up, more affordable than alternatives and be a good business opportunity to increase the amount of money it makes from existing clients (optionally).

That's why I think Cloudron should consider adding integrated Backups.

I host most of my domains in one Porkbun account, but this would work similarly for any other provider. For any new domain I add, I need to find again the API key and secret key and add it. If they ever change, I need to change them for all domains separately.

Idea: Store the secrets separately, and allow the user to change/update them in one place. This would be optional, and the user could still use separate API keys per domain, but I think we can assume that one would want to use the same pair of keys for the same account in Cloudron.

Besides, the values are stored already anyway if they are in use, so this changes only the underlying database structure and the UI.

This has gone back to normal for a few days in a row, indicating the upgrade didn't produce an issue, but probably the hardware infrastructure at Netcup.

@nebulon I can't share the original document publicly, unfortunately, but the problem has disappeared after having raised the PHP Memory Limit in Nextcloud from 512 MB to 2 GB.

Okay! I added a small separate function into the code, that helped me.

@girish Is it a different product, though? Technically, probably, but it would be so lovely to run docker compose apps next to dockerfile apps as custom apps on Cloudron within a container, even if I have to make custom changes to the docker compose setting to make it work.

Or, alternatively, you guys bring a docker compose manager on the market (yes, that would be a different product, but totally in-brand). A competitor to portainer (too corporate) and coolify (bad UI).

I would be willing to pay a premium, just in case you ever decided to do that.

@fbartels Of course I wouldn't want to run them next to Cloudron, only as apps within Cloudron.

Yes, exactly, it works now!

Maybe there could be a dedicated tutorial in https://docs.cloudron.io/backups/ as many people seem to use it as a backup provider. I had to look up a few other things in the process to make it work.

I am currently contemplating about a good security and emergency strategy and maybe others here have thought about this too, so maybe someone has some deeper thoughts about this:

I am currently running two cloudron instances, "private" and "business". Only I have access to "business" but it gives me the opportunity to split apps between two instances in case one fails.

However, I am generally willing and interested to host both passwords via vaultwarden and also 2-factor-authentication on Cloudron, possibly on separate instances. However, I need to secure my vaultwarden instance with 2FA, obviously.

Now I am thinking, let's say worst case, both my laptop and my mobile phone get stolen. How do I get access now to my server and my data, considering that I cannot get access to my passwords or to confirm 2FA on a separate device?

Probably I need some sort of lifeline, but I am not really sure how this would look like, considering both security and practicability.

For an active mailbox in Cloudron, which I don't want to delete, I would like to configure a forwarder to another address. Currently, I have to go inside Roundcube to do that, but it would be great to do that inside the email settings in Cloudron.

Currently, I get the error "mailbox already exists", but is it really too far-fetched to keep the existing inbox and still forward afterwards?

Example use case: An employee leaves. I don't want to delete the inbox as historical emails might become relevant in the future, but I want from now on to receive all e-mails going to that address myself.

Yes, restarting the server solved the problem.

However, I could reproduce the error with outline when I simply deactivated it again and tried to resize it.
This is the error:
Inactive: Error getting IP of redis-f9cfdd22-88ef-44db-9c5b-87d5d0b3ac80 service
It didn't seem to happen with another app I tested.

This should make the installation of the Bluesky PDS easier: https://hub.docker.com/r/gravityfargo/bluesky-pds

Yes, I know that failed backup notifications are already raised in the dashboard, but that requires me to go and look there. I have a mission-critical app that should update every day and I literally had the case that while I was on vacation, it failed one day. Nothing happened, it backed up the next day, but I simply didn't look into the dashboard that day like usually.

That's where the feature request is coming from.

This isn't browser-related. You can also open Cloudron on Desktop, go in mobile view using F12 and then reproduce it. But just in case it doesn't happen in all browsers, I have added that information.

When I delete an email address that is being used in a mailing list, it would be great if we could show a warning indicating that the mailing list item is now idle (goes to a non-existing mail address).

The fact that this email address is referenced in a mailing list could also be included in the delete confirmation modal.

I think this should happen even if a catchall has been set up that would at least not let the email bounce.

@svtx I wouldn't say that, I have successfully restored a couple of times and that went smoothly.

When I want to update a custom app but make sure there's no deployment-related issue, I have too choices on Cloudron:

• Update my app, hope for the best and revert immediately using backup (easy, but causes 1-2 minutes of downtime)
• Create a second app for staging only, test it there, and if needed, push again to production

Suggestion: Introduce a staging environment for custom apps

1. Under the hood, this is another custom app in cloudron, but the UI treats it differently
2. I install it using cloudron update --staging for my app
3. I can reach it under a staging domain
4. If I am happy, I can push a button (or run Cloudron CLI) to direct traffic to the new app instead of the previous one. Ideally, staging becomes production and old production gets deleted to reduce downtime, but I haven't thought this through.

Benefits of this approach over the current one:

1. I don't have to create two apps for the same thing, because logically, this is one app in different states
2. Hopefully, this approach could reduce downtime