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Ubiquiti Cloud Controller is a Control System for network devices of the same brand.

• https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/220066768-UniFi-How-to-Install-and-Update-via-APT-on-Debian-or-Ubuntu

• It use mongodb

@jdaviescoates said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

Faster Nextcloud and WordPress!

We have some test image with Nginx + WP, that i have already shared with @girish, in the next few day we will work with him on some special feature to make the manifest compatible with OLS base image that we have pretty much ready, and later we will work on WP and NextCloud performance boost.

Probably next week, we will post some performance benchmarks of the new WP image, for both Nginx and OLS base image.

A good addition to the Cloudron API, is 4 shore the possibility to been notify of the event accruing on the server with webhooks.

For us business is a good feature, to help us setup action or workflow base on them, increse security and stability are consequences.

For private geek user, they can setup telegram or main with notification coming from there server, that will make a smoother experience with there server.

Event are already json, we just need to be able to send them to an endpoint, maybe with the possibility to choose witch event we want to receive.

Hello everyone !
Today we start testing the first version of OpenLiteSpeed on Cloudron, we hope to be able to bring it to open-beta soon.
We are working to bring full support to the OLS webadmin panel; and the main add-on modules, for now the image will be only for WordPress, but we are working to bring other PHP and Django scripts as well (maybe this will use nginx).

Update:

• The cache plugin is functional and connects to OLS for server side caching.
  

@atrilahiji
Yes it is, you need to specify in the manifest the image.
If you can w8 on Monday I can send you more details

I try to summarize the feasible and effective antispam scenario/stack:

• Rspamd
  • It does practically the same job as spamassasin, he needs less training then SA.
  • spamassassin seems more effective than rspamd if configured correctly, thanks to the use of signature exchange nextwork razor, pyzor, ecc ecc.
  • an antivirus(clamav), is impractical for cloudron, because it would require at least 1.5 / 2 GB of ram to have the entire signature database to be fast enough to filter emails, and as far as we are concerned 90% of our customers do not have such resources on the vServer.
• SPF/DKIM/DMARC
  almost all spam is now signed with these protocols, therefore further control by the antispam is normally useless.
  what cloudron does from this point of view is already excellent, haraka is much faster than SA or Rspamd, it would be a waste of resources in most cases to make the antispam and not the MTA do this job.
• DNBSL
  if well configured these work very very well, but many of these do not allow to be used by anonymous servers and many others are paid, for this reason we suggest the use of a proxy or for all emails or at least for parts of the antispam-system such as DNBSL, signature.

@Captain-Kirk the wiki is deprecated, active sync is a free protocol now, no more licence from Microsoft needed, i have it installed for testing and its work.

Collabora is in the pro version.

Hi everyone,
I started looking for possible solutions to the problem we are having in building the image of Sogo with ActiveSync and not finding a solution (if you want to try to help, find the issue here).

So I looked for an alternative:
What do you think of GroupOffice?

They have a rather complete free version, with modules:

• e-mail (Sieve, Multiple mail for account)
• list itemcontacts
• list itemcalendar
• list itemfile (webdav compatible)
• list itemactivesync (with also a module to control activesync)

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• The sharing system is very complete like that of sogo, there can be email accounts, calendars, address book and shared drives.

it is entirely written in PHP so creating a dockerimage should not be a problem, the only disadvantage is that the developers are not very active even if they continue to release bugfixes, they do not have deadlines for new features.

@robi
if you mean divi by elegantthemes, it work perfectly we offer it included in the hosting fee, and we will switch to cloudron in the near future.
and in 10 weeks of testing we didn't find any issue with it.

Hi!
in the next days we start testing on 2 of the images we have prepared.
We would like to know what data you would most like to know about their performance.

Our testing environment will be:

• 2 Epyc vCore
• 2 GB Ram DRR4 ECC
• NVMe PCI-e 3gen

The app will be tested with 500MB of ram and 500MB of swap.

Our goal is to have similar performance for our image and other WordPress hosting setup available, for this we have plan to test:

• Cloudron standard apache setup (unmanaged)
• OLS app that we have develop erly this summer (will be on the store early December)
• Nginx custom build, with pagespeed mod, and some server side tweak to improve performance.

All 3 with this combination:

• With and without Redis object cache
• We will use one or more cache plugin (which one is your favourite?) to test there performance with this 3 setup.
• Just with server side cache.

If you have any advice on testing tool to use, or other setup for wp to be test just commend, every thought is appreciated.

Matt.

Hey @will !
We was speaking on provide cockpit as a Cloudron app, or just let cloudron support cockpit to manage more Bare-metal server staff like raid.

And btw it can manage container too, if u need you can just install the module (cockpit-docker), it can be a good alternative to portainer

@girish said in Changes to WordPress apps:

Make WordPress plugins should just work

I believe it is okay to have a greylist of unsupported plugins anyway, all providers that use docker or other forms of LVM have it, because there are plugins that cannot work on some platforms by their nature, due to lack of a PHP library or for security and stability reasons.

For example you can't use a server with LS, OLS or Nginx and WP-Rocket Cache, they go into conflict.
this for example is the list provided by Kinsta (some plugins are there because they use too many performances others because they are incompatible).

all-in-one-wp-migration
allow-php-execute
backupbuddy
backwpup
better-wordpress-minify
cache-enabler
codistoconnect
dynamic-widgets
eww-image-optimizer
exec-php
inactive-user-deleter
jch-optimize
litespeed-cache
login-wall
p3
p3-profiler
pagefrog
rvg-optimize-database
snapshot
updraft
updraftplus
wonderm00ns-simple-facebook-open-graph-tags
wordpress-gzip-compression
wordpress-popular-posts
wordpress-rss-multi-importer
wp-db-backup
wp-db-backup-made
wp-optimize

Maybe switching to James (mail server of OpenPaaS) can be really good alternative, and easyer to intagrate with cloudron then OpenPaaS.

It offer pretty much the same:

• Mail
• Callendar
• Contact
• JMAP protocol + standard one imap,smtp ecc ecc.
• It use database to store email (Cassandra / PostgreSQL / HSQLDB / MySQL / ElasticSearch)
• Provide a complete RestAPI.

When you want to install cloudron on dedicated server you need a web tool to manage raid, ssh key and many other system setting and proprieties.

Nomally i will use Cockpit-Project.

But if you install cockpit and then cloudron, cockpit will stop working or better the Firewall will block port 9090 that is used to connect to cockpit.

It will be really helpful to add an option that will use nginx proxypass to forward the call to cockpit.my.[domain] to port 9090

@atridad
it's not so easy, you need to compile all the C extensions modules that you are using. For example, are not compatible libraries because there's no way to easily compile them are tensorflow, pytorch.

But in generaly Yes is compatible with all the python code because it's a fork of its default interpreter/compiler CPython.

@marcusquinn
Hey Marcus,

yes and no, OLS/LS is objectively more efficient over apache, and this make it more performant then apache.
Berceuse as Nginx it can serve static file without wake up a php, that apache is using for every request on a WP.
But as i already say sometimes a good server lvl optimization of nginx is performing as well but is not easy to setup, OLS or LS offer LSCache to do all the config from WP dashboard.

WP plugin are not the best way to go, because they just let the call be managed by a PHP, many like Cache enabler, just create a HTML copy of the website, that is more performant no elaboration needed by db or php, but if you use apache you will wake up PHP anyway so CPU and RAM wasted.

@ruihildt
We are in Open Beta for OLS, if you want we can provide you the image.
But for now the code is closed sourse, it will be realise with a custom licenses that is open source but not commercially usable by MSP or ISP to offer WordPress as a Service or PaaS.

@d19dotca
i see, but i actually never trust external build image especially in production, if i dont know the publisher.
but in that case u need to provide cloudron a manifest too, and if as @girish proposed to extend the manifest to include the image information that its really easy to do.

But the biggest issue is not a single app, the API already provide the possibility to install custom apps, its just miss the UI to do that, but its already supported.

The biggest issue are how to add external repository of multiple Apps to the store.

@Lonk said in tmpfs support in the manifest:

@MooCloud_Matt Oh, nice, I've had really good experiences with Wordpress hosted via OLS personally so I love that you and your team are working on this.

During the beta test we have over 3 to 5 times the performance in general (speed, size of website, perception of loading), using as start a non optimized WordPress demo website.
(Probably if u manually optimize: image, CSS, JS, HTML, CriticalCSS, ecc ecc the improvement will be less, but OLS will do everything automatically).
This is because the nginxproxy-apache setup used by cloudron doesn't provide deep optimization that we have implemented in OLS, tanks to LScache integration.

OLS offer some optimization, it's event driven as Nginx, and it's full asyc as for nginx, but it doesn't need FPM or FastCGI to elaborate PHP script as for Apache.
So it's offer a good mix of the 2 webserver, and then LiteSpeed have improve that integrating a WordPress Level cache plugin in to the webserver, so that Wordpress and the webserver ca share the same cache and work together.

@atrilahiji said in Dashbard UX enhancement suggestions:

Perhaps a Play/Stop button to start/stop the server and a restart button here?

+1

Soo here we are with some data, and information.

To best test which solution was the best we actually have to create 3 image for nginx.

• FastCGI Cache
• Redis Full Pace Cache
• Cache Enabler (html file cache) this is here to show app level cache, with direct integration with the webserver, the call is not pass to FPM.

Our main image will be Redis Full Page Cache in till the support for RAM disk inside the container, then we will see how FastCGI will perform.

Basic information.

All the test are on our cloud platform hosted in 2 datacenter using 2 different server.

Server 1:

• 2 vCPU Intel XEON
• 2GB RAM
• and NVMe SSD on M2 Slot (over chipset) on RAID 1

Server 2:

• 2 vCPU AMD Epyc
• 2GB RAM
• and NVMe SSD on PCI-E directly to CPU on RAID 1

Both server have 1Gbit's port

The test are been done using as a client a server in the same rack, with the same specks of the tested one.

Only the app what we was testing was on at that time, and have 1 Cloudron GB as memory limit, that mean 1/2 is ram 1/2 is swap.
CPU Shares are set as default at 50%

How we test

Remember: this a preliminary test, not completely validated, we need to have various confirmation and runs before calming that they are perfect score.

We reboot the server, then stop all the app.
Check using HTOP if there was something going on on the server, if it was all clear we start testing.

We build 2 page, using divi builder the most commune builder with Elementor.

They have inline CSS, JS and we didn't use any plugin for optimizing the content, we have only use the plugin needed to enable cache control from WP.
Both pages have varius CSS file and Image + SVG.

For this test all image was the original, we will testing our auto optimize image script later.
We execute 8 test for every App.

• 5, 20, 50, 100 Concurrent session for a total of 500 session each.
• For both pages + some image and CSS in the page, not all the content

Results

What we see is 2 image that have server side cache boost there performance, they use different technique, redis full page cache save (similar to what nginx proxy cache do) a copy of the output in the RAM using the 300MB standard container provided by cloudron (we have better performance on Epyc due to low latency memory supported).
FastCGI save part of the page and the information pre-elaborate on the NVMe Storage and some on the RAM (we have a 3% better performance on the Epyc server probably due to the Storage been connected directly to the CPU).
What we didn't aspect was the terrible results (compare to the other NGINX set up) that Cache Enabler image have done, this is probably due to a check and the redirect of the request to an HTML page, saved in the NVMe Storage.

Why Redis Full Cache is for now the fastest?
Because it use a direct connection to Redis and is all in the cache, nginx don't need to interact with the FileSystem, and as we probably know Redis is one of the fastest "DB" available and is not limited to the IO for your disk, DRAM of your SSD, Chipset or raid card, but only from your RAM and CPU_RAM connection.
Especially with near AMD CPU that provider higher RAM frequency and bandwidth, Redis Full Cache page show to be the fastest solution that we can provide on cloudron.

Remember: this a preliminary test, not completely validated, we need to have various confirmation and runs before calming that they are perfect score.

@d19dotca said in Apache, OLS and Nginx-Custom Benchmarks:

Apache and Redis caching

Sorry i was not so clear on this.
Cloudron now don't provide any webserver cache (for what i know), what you have now is a DB cache, it sit between PHP and the DB.

What you see as "Apache" in the test is the standard cloudron app with "REDIS OBJECT CACHING", during the test in all app testes that lvl of cache was active, but in the Redis Full-Page Cache we use a integration between Nginx and Redis directly in addition to the Object Cache, so that PHP will never get involve if the page was already been serve to a similar client.

i will use this pics by runcloud to show you:

What we build is similar to what runcloud call RunCache, redis in this case is used to store HTML, CSS and JS content and not query to the DB.

Update on WAF:

We have disable the WAF features for now, that we had plan due to instability in TTFB timings.

Maybe we will add a CDN to host blacklists and information repository that WAF module need to work.
Because now it take from .9 to 2 seconds to check the ip/browser and our objective is to have mostly all normal page load in 3 or less seconds.

update on redis full Page cache (fpc)

We are working on the partial page cache, or sr-cache module.
But we are not shore if this will improve performance even more.
Is just a better management of the cache.

WordPress nginx helper

We are using nginx-helper plugin to let you clear your cache from WordPress, but due to how we are implementing stuff, we will create a fork to better sweet our nginx stack.

prestashop php-fpm + cache

We are working on prestashop for cloudron too.
This is a test to see how much flexible is our FPM+fastcgi cache setup

(No redis cache possibile, due to license on plugin to support it)

If u use Apps, that need more container, like nextcloud or wp, you need to count redis too, for exemple.
And there are System Apps to, like Haraka for the email

@marcusquinn

I agree that OLS or LS are not the solution, because Nginx + FastCGI + ProxyCache are excellent (with LS + ESI woocommerce it works better in any situation in this days) especially in big sites with a lot o page, content and static content like images.
But large sites are exceptional cases in the hosting world, especially those who would use cloudron do not have a huge site because they would prefer to use a custom stack in that case.
We are thinking of satisfying the customer who wants performance without doing anything other than installing the LiteSpeed cache plugin.

Here's a progress update:

• The application will be released with a slightly old PHP version: lsphp72 (PHP 7.2).
  For various reasons, but we will offer various versions of OLS with the various versions of PHP 7.x later this year.

• The access key to LiteSpeed cloud services (QUIC.cloud) can be requested manually, for MooCloud customers it will be done automatically.

• The OLS web admin console is accessible by setting port 7080 after the domain; the user/password credentials must be changed after installation, through a terminal script.
  This is not necessary for MooCloud customers.

• Any modification to the .htaccess file requires a complete restart of the container, MooCloud customers will have a special function on EasyManager to load the new .htaccess into the OLS cache, which does not require a restart.

As you can see, there are secondary functions available only for our customers, this not because we want to limit the image, but because it requires an external intervention via API or CLI that our system is able to do independently, to eneble this features.

@d19dotca we are working as moocloud on 2 possible solution:

• Complete antispam proxy in cloud

• A boost to the internal SpamAssasin in cloudron.

the second case will use signature db to provide a more effective SA score, for both virus, spam and ham.

But the first solution will offer the best resolute, and less ham especially, per user whitelist/blacklist and premium signature for spam, and virus scanning.

@girish said in Docker base image - 3.0:

I have often struggled working with minimal images because they often lack the tools for debugging

You will use minimalism only in production, if you are debugging you can use the full tool-set image, but on production you will only include what's is necessary.

In a Apache PHP based app, you don't need 2 web-server, you don't need java or nodejs.

@girish said in Docker base image - 3.0:

just 2GB

2 GB is from 10% to 5% of a Basic NVMe Cloud instances on most provider, is really a lot of space especially during update, it will take resources and time on server that know days are especially small 2 or 3 vCore and 4 to 8 GB of RAM.
Most of the time your docker image update is longer because CPU bottleneck not network (we have a proxy for the image on docker hub) we have test that.

I don't think is urgent to do or that cloudron need to do it, but i can understand why most of the docker community like small alpine images, and docker is born for that 1 software-1container, but now is thing of the past.

@mehdi said in Docker base image - 3.0:

container layer

btw if you are using "container layer" with small image stack is better, is how docker work better, a cloudron with just nextcloud don't need to have java on it, that's just w8st of space (jdk is from 160 to 180MB).

You can have:

• Ubuntu base image (with or with out tools that help you debug, depending if is prod or test)
• library that the app need to have to work (webserver, php, java) probably all php apps need the same or can have the same, we don't need to be super efficient, just more efficient
• the app it self, wordpress, nextcloud, ecc ecc.

This can be a possible and probably not so much time consuming to maintain (gitlab ci, is haven in this case), obviously is not the only answer to the image maintenance issue, and one is the big complete image that cloudron is using.

Everything have pros and cons.
And maybe this look like me angry but i'm not, and cloudron support every app that build on there baseimage or build on top of Alpine, so if somebody don't like it, is easy to build a custom app =D.

hello everyone,
I wanted to update you on the status on OLS.
In agreement with @girish the application will not be published on the store because it will be released with a open source license, but which prohibits its use by MSP or Managed Hosting Provider; and because themselves cannot guarantee support on the app.
In all cases we are working together to ensure that the Apps developed by MooCloud will be available in the store sooner or later.

As soon as the custom proxy_pass support is added to the manifest we will release the application to the public downloadable from our docker registry.

@girish
an app is difficult because it will be a privilege container, and if u use container is to make the app isolated from host, not controlling the host.

For the update, idk, maybe in the future we can help you add it, i think is not so difficult because is just 1 package, already include in canonical repo.

But for now just the port can be a good start.

Maybe storage already on S3, it's easier to maintain and it's scalable, redundant, easy to have a remote backend for storage.

A good fit for the new multiserver cloudron.

open-xchange it's a "all-in-one" solution really hard to integrate in a 3° party environment as cloudron.
Probably james by Apache will be a better option in this case, tanks the native support of jmap for the new/long future webmail will have better support and features.

It save the email on db so multi server setup are ez, and a lot of prebuild tool to manage it with API, that allow 3°party to integrate it ezly

Hello M,
pagespeed is a great system, but it can often lead to major drawbacks.
Pagespeed does not act in real time, so photos, compressions etc etc are done in the background and it is recommended to have a vCore dedicated to PS_mod.
MooCloud has chosen for example to provide image compression and conversion to WebP via PS_mod.
Because there are wordpress plugins that do much better when it comes to minification.
What I can advise you is to wait for the release of version 5.6 of cloudron which introduces support for additional features needed for the OLS image which introduces LScache support for WordPress and this will solve all your server level optimization problems, interpreter and app.

@moocloud_matt
The main benefits on having 1 server type + 1 image combination insted of 1 for everything is the support for easy backup, update and rollback, Webui can be simple to the end user because it have just the function that he needs.
You can offer back compatibility to Minecraft Beta with no afford, and maintain there java version updated.

Development if the automation is good, will be easy because when you push a change a server type all his version will be updated automatically and rebuild.

If you update the basic java image all the server type will be updated, and all the version will be updated too.

Sorry @marcusquinn dident see that you was using ghost for your blog.
in that case, SP_mod will be really a bad choose because front-end and back-end are separate similar on how angular/react works.
I really advice you do optimize your image manually for now, and w8 ghost will release some improvement on that.

@atrilahiji

welcome in the manage service world.
The big issue is understanding how much you want to manage for the future users.
What you say about backups is true, manage update with cloudron will provide backup, but is also true that cloudron don't let you install the version of an app that you want, but just the latest.

What i suggest if you want to still provide good quality image, with backup support is to differentiate the image/apps, but making them inter-compatible.

What that mean:

• i start with my server in vanilla
• then i want to try forge, i can just use cloudron cli to switch image maintaining the same app.
• at the restart of the app, you will have forge image, that work with your old world save.

Do do a good work on maintaining all those image, they will became a lot, multiple minecraft version, multiple server type, you should use some sort of automation we can contribute with one of our tech guy on that part.

@marcusquinn said in Add a 3rd Party section after App Store:

Maybe an "Add Repositories" button to add GitLab Group or Project URLs?

Using gitlab or a project URL is not very feasible, because the APPs for Cloudron must be docker images, so as far as gitlab.com is concerned it works because it offers an integrated registry, but if you use self-hosted GitLab, github, gitea etc etc it would not work.

i think a good flexible and easyer solution is to being able to import a JSON file hosted on a public http / https server (which can be gitlab, github, nginx etc. etc.), with:

• the list of apps, and a copy of each app manifest to be imported in the store.
• the registry where the images are hosted and if access to the registry is needed.

This would allow us to use external registry also protected by token, which is very useful to us if we ever want to release applications only for our customers, or verified external user.
and also for cloudron it should be easier to develop a script to import and process a json, compared to an autodiscover of images on a project or a registry.

@jlx89
Is really hard to port Pterodactyl to Cloudron because they to the same thing, manage docker container on servers.

But we are as community to develop minecraft image with multiple server type (Forge, Fabric, Spigot, ...) for cloudron directly.

Hey @nebulon ,
it's more an addition for the near future.
Apache can use FastCGI cache too btw, but nginx is more optimized, and as we have discuss in the pass in chat, WP and NextCloud for example could gain a lot of responsiveness and memory reduction usage switching to Nginx.

For the memory limit, docker already support tmpfs , and it support the limitation of that volume too. https://docs.docker.com/storage/tmpfs/

To boost a medium to big website a FastCGI cache can be about just 50mb to 100mb.

@micmc
We are not closing OLS, but the other code on the image, that we have written and develop, like the cli interface.

Docker image (dockerfile), cloudron.manifest file and the software that they contain can have different license in any case.

Hey Everybody,

i was testing some nginx base-image for some app, and it would be cool to have tmpfs support in the Manifest to use fastcgi cache in a RamDisk.

Good for example to use it on WordPress
https://wp-rocket.me/blog/redis-full-page-cache-vs-nginx-fastcgi/

RunCloud now have start to offer RamDisk as Nginx FastCGI cache directory, but also Redis-Niginx ProxyCache integration (but from there statement on there facebook comunity it's less performant then FastCGI+RamDisk).

@robi said in tmpfs support in the manifest:

Would love to see OLS used here.

we have OLS ready in beta, just working with cloudron to have 3° party app on the store with a custom license.
We want to use something like a Commons Clause + Apache or Prosperity Public License, so that user can use it, and can read the code and if you want collaborate too, but Cloudron don't need to maintain it.

@lonk

i think just basic one like:

• Need reboot

• Update available

• Admin/Super Admin/Owner User login

• Backup Faild

But if is something like stripe webhook that is amazing!

For those cloudron installs that use external spam filtering/gateway, the extra latency/resources that haraka use to process every email are wasted because that email has already been processed by an antispam.

it would be a really great feature to be able to disable SA check.

For now it's possible but not permanent, because the Harake config files are not save in the filesystem,

Hi,
the problem is not whether it is safe or not safe, simply it is not very effective because after each update that value will be restored, what you can do is a custom app and simply change that parameter in the dockerfile.

--> https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/roundcube-app/-/blob/master/Dockerfile#L28

https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2020/08/wordpress-auto-updates-what-do-you-have-to-lose/

@lonk
we pause the OLS development, (is in beta and is stable) to focus on Nginx Setup.
Now our focus is to create a open beta soon, then post those app on the Cloudron store.
and early next year make a some image intercompatible, so you can change from FastCGI + PageSpeed to only FastCGI, or From RedisFPC to FastCGI, ...

But we don't know for now what we will able to do, we are focusing to prepare open beta for now.

Hey @Mazekien

minecraft server and minecraft client can have diferent mod or having just on one side, but you need to check on compatibility.

You can find 3 kind of mod type:

• Forge based
• Fabric based
• Vanilla Datapack

Forge and Fabric are incompatible, but you can use Fabric/Forge mod with Vanilla Datapack.
Optifine is a alternative graphic engine for Minecraft that most of the shaders are made for.

Optifine is not compatible with fabric, but can be load in to Vanilla Minecraft or Forge Minecraft.

Cloudron support just Vanilla Datapack, not any other mod loader (forge or fabric) but been Optifine Client-Only it will work.
But if u wont to add mod that you find on Curse/Twitch you need to w8 later September we will release some version of minecraft apps for cloudron that support Forge/Fabric mod.

@girish
I'm speaking of the new auto-update feature of WP, that is similar to use an auto-update script for packages on a rolling realize linux distro, is not a good idea in production.

@girish
nope,
no information on stability found either.

This is the repo
https://github.com/nextcloud/notify_push

@nebulon
using pyzor, MooCloud use it on his antispam gateway, we host a self hosted exchange pyzor server.

https://www.pyzor.org/en/latest/

I just try the new backend on ubuntu directly and I found it interesting.

My wish was that NextCloud has started a migration to a different language, a modern one.
BUT, this is not the case what they are doing is just improving the connection for metadata with WebSocket, but all the files are still using PHP Webdav Rest-like protocol.

NextCloud.com says that been their software modular they can develop a small and incremental module (AKA rust backend), and this is good news.

But what we read also is that they want to keep PHP as the main backend to be able to have full compatibility with industry-standard hosting.

NOTE: this is my interpretation of their PR on social media, forum, and their blog post.

The conclusion for me is that NextCloud is OLD if they will not invest in a new main backend now that docker is the new industry standard and JS/TS is the new language for wild compatibility on modern hosting (both Cpanel and Plesk support nodejs app). I think that we need to look around to find a new alternative to host or files on the cloud.