@jdaviescoates said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
Faster Nextcloud and WordPress!
We have some test image with Nginx + WP, that i have already shared with @girish, in the next few day we will work with him on some special feature to make the manifest compatible with OLS base image that we have pretty much ready, and later we will work on WP and NextCloud performance boost.
Probably next week, we will post some performance benchmarks of the new WP image, for both Nginx and OLS base image.
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Hello everyone !
Today we start testing the first version of OpenLiteSpeed on Cloudron, we hope to be able to bring it to open-beta soon.
We are working to bring full support to the OLS webadmin panel; and the main add-on modules, for now the image will be only for WordPress, but we are working to bring other PHP and Django scripts as well (maybe this will use nginx).
Update:
A good addition to the Cloudron API, is 4 shore the possibility to been notify of the event accruing on the server with webhooks.
For us business is a good feature, to help us setup action or workflow base on them, increse security and stability are consequences.
For private geek user, they can setup telegram or main with notification coming from there server, that will make a smoother experience with there server.
Event are already json, we just need to be able to send them to an endpoint, maybe with the possibility to choose witch event we want to receive.
@Captain-Kirk the wiki is deprecated, active sync is a free protocol now, no more licence from Microsoft needed, i have it installed for testing and its work.
Collabora is in the pro version.
I try to summarize the feasible and effective antispam scenario/stack:
Hi everyone,
I started looking for possible solutions to the problem we are having in building the image of Sogo with ActiveSync and not finding a solution (if you want to try to help, find the issue here).
So I looked for an alternative:
What do you think of GroupOffice?
They have a rather complete free version, with modules:
it is entirely written in PHP so creating a dockerimage should not be a problem, the only disadvantage is that the developers are not very active even if they continue to release bugfixes, they do not have deadlines for new features.
@robi
if you mean divi by elegantthemes, it work perfectly we offer it included in the hosting fee, and we will switch to cloudron in the near future.
and in 10 weeks of testing we didn't find any issue with it.
Hi!
in the next days we start testing on 2 of the images we have prepared.
We would like to know what data you would most like to know about their performance.
Our testing environment will be:
The app will be tested with 500MB of ram and 500MB of swap.
Our goal is to have similar performance for our image and other WordPress hosting setup available, for this we have plan to test:
All 3 with this combination:
If you have any advice on testing tool to use, or other setup for wp to be test just commend, every thought is appreciated.
Matt.
@girish said in Changes to WordPress apps:
Make WordPress plugins should just work
I believe it is okay to have a greylist of unsupported plugins anyway, all providers that use docker or other forms of LVM have it, because there are plugins that cannot work on some platforms by their nature, due to lack of a PHP library or for security and stability reasons.
For example you can't use a server with LS, OLS or Nginx and WP-Rocket Cache, they go into conflict.
this for example is the list provided by Kinsta (some plugins are there because they use too many performances others because they are incompatible).
all-in-one-wp-migration
allow-php-execute
backupbuddy
backwpup
better-wordpress-minify
cache-enabler
codistoconnect
dynamic-widgets
eww-image-optimizer
exec-php
inactive-user-deleter
jch-optimize
litespeed-cache
login-wall
p3
p3-profiler
pagefrog
rvg-optimize-database
snapshot
updraft
updraftplus
wonderm00ns-simple-facebook-open-graph-tags
wordpress-gzip-compression
wordpress-popular-posts
wordpress-rss-multi-importer
wp-db-backup
wp-db-backup-made
wp-optimize
Hey @will !
We was speaking on provide cockpit as a Cloudron app, or just let cloudron support cockpit to manage more Bare-metal server staff like raid.
And btw it can manage container too, if u need you can just install the module (cockpit-docker), it can be a good alternative to portainer
Maybe switching to James (mail server of OpenPaaS) can be really good alternative, and easyer to intagrate with cloudron then OpenPaaS.
It offer pretty much the same:
When you want to install cloudron on dedicated server you need a web tool to manage raid, ssh key and many other system setting and proprieties.
Nomally i will use Cockpit-Project.
But if you install cockpit and then cloudron, cockpit will stop working or better the Firewall will block port 9090 that is used to connect to cockpit.
It will be really helpful to add an option that will use nginx proxypass to forward the call to cockpit.my.[domain] to port 9090
@marcusquinn
Hey Marcus,
yes and no, OLS/LS is objectively more efficient over apache, and this make it more performant then apache.
Berceuse as Nginx it can serve static file without wake up a php, that apache is using for every request on a WP.
But as i already say sometimes a good server lvl optimization of nginx is performing as well but is not easy to setup, OLS or LS offer LSCache to do all the config from WP dashboard.
WP plugin are not the best way to go, because they just let the call be managed by a PHP, many like Cache enabler, just create a HTML copy of the website, that is more performant no elaboration needed by db or php, but if you use apache you will wake up PHP anyway so CPU and RAM wasted.
@ruihildt
We are in Open Beta for OLS, if you want we can provide you the image.
But for now the code is closed sourse, it will be realise with a custom licenses that is open source but not commercially usable by MSP or ISP to offer WordPress as a Service or PaaS.
@d19dotca
i see, but i actually never trust external build image especially in production, if i dont know the publisher.
but in that case u need to provide cloudron a manifest too, and if as @girish proposed to extend the manifest to include the image information that its really easy to do.
But the biggest issue is not a single app, the API already provide the possibility to install custom apps, its just miss the UI to do that, but its already supported.
The biggest issue are how to add external repository of multiple Apps to the store.
@Lonk said in tmpfs support in the manifest:
@MooCloud_Matt Oh, nice, I've had really good experiences with Wordpress hosted via OLS personally so I love that you and your team are working on this.
During the beta test we have over 3 to 5 times the performance in general (speed, size of website, perception of loading), using as start a non optimized WordPress demo website.
(Probably if u manually optimize: image, CSS, JS, HTML, CriticalCSS, ecc ecc the improvement will be less, but OLS will do everything automatically).
This is because the nginxproxy-apache setup used by cloudron doesn't provide deep optimization that we have implemented in OLS, tanks to LScache integration.
OLS offer some optimization, it's event driven as Nginx, and it's full asyc as for nginx, but it doesn't need FPM or FastCGI to elaborate PHP script as for Apache.
So it's offer a good mix of the 2 webserver, and then LiteSpeed have improve that integrating a WordPress Level cache plugin in to the webserver, so that Wordpress and the webserver ca share the same cache and work together.
Soo here we are with some data, and information.
To best test which solution was the best we actually have to create 3 image for nginx.
Our main image will be Redis Full Page Cache in till the support for RAM disk inside the container, then we will see how FastCGI will perform.
All the test are on our cloud platform hosted in 2 datacenter using 2 different server.
Server 1:
Server 2:
Both server have 1Gbit's port
The test are been done using as a client a server in the same rack, with the same specks of the tested one.
Only the app what we was testing was on at that time, and have 1 Cloudron GB as memory limit, that mean 1/2 is ram 1/2 is swap.
CPU Shares are set as default at 50%
Remember: this a preliminary test, not completely validated, we need to have various confirmation and runs before calming that they are perfect score.
We reboot the server, then stop all the app.
Check using HTOP if there was something going on on the server, if it was all clear we start testing.
We build 2 page, using divi builder the most commune builder with Elementor.
They have inline CSS, JS and we didn't use any plugin for optimizing the content, we have only use the plugin needed to enable cache control from WP.
Both pages have varius CSS file and Image + SVG.
For this test all image was the original, we will testing our auto optimize image script later.
We execute 8 test for every App.
What we see is 2 image that have server side cache boost there performance, they use different technique, redis full page cache save (similar to what nginx proxy cache do) a copy of the output in the RAM using the 300MB standard container provided by cloudron (we have better performance on Epyc due to low latency memory supported).
FastCGI save part of the page and the information pre-elaborate on the NVMe Storage and some on the RAM (we have a 3% better performance on the Epyc server probably due to the Storage been connected directly to the CPU).
What we didn't aspect was the terrible results (compare to the other NGINX set up) that Cache Enabler image have done, this is probably due to a check and the redirect of the request to an HTML page, saved in the NVMe Storage.
Why Redis Full Cache is for now the fastest?
Because it use a direct connection to Redis and is all in the cache, nginx don't need to interact with the FileSystem, and as we probably know Redis is one of the fastest "DB" available and is not limited to the IO for your disk, DRAM of your SSD, Chipset or raid card, but only from your RAM and CPU_RAM connection.
Especially with near AMD CPU that provider higher RAM frequency and bandwidth, Redis Full Cache page show to be the fastest solution that we can provide on cloudron.
Remember: this a preliminary test, not completely validated, we need to have various confirmation and runs before calming that they are perfect score.
@d19dotca said in Apache, OLS and Nginx-Custom Benchmarks:
Apache and Redis caching
Sorry i was not so clear on this.
Cloudron now don't provide any webserver cache (for what i know), what you have now is a DB cache, it sit between PHP and the DB.
What you see as "Apache" in the test is the standard cloudron app with "REDIS OBJECT CACHING", during the test in all app testes that lvl of cache was active, but in the Redis Full-Page Cache we use a integration between Nginx and Redis directly in addition to the Object Cache, so that PHP will never get involve if the page was already been serve to a similar client.
i will use this pics by runcloud to show you:
What we build is similar to what runcloud call RunCache, redis in this case is used to store HTML, CSS and JS content and not query to the DB.
We have disable the WAF features for now, that we had plan due to instability in TTFB timings.
Maybe we will add a CDN to host blacklists and information repository that WAF module need to work.
Because now it take from .9 to 2 seconds to check the ip/browser and our objective is to have mostly all normal page load in 3 or less seconds.
We are working on the partial page cache, or sr-cache module.
But we are not shore if this will improve performance even more.
Is just a better management of the cache.
We are using nginx-helper plugin to let you clear your cache from WordPress, but due to how we are implementing stuff, we will create a fork to better sweet our nginx stack.
We are working on prestashop for cloudron too.
This is a test to see how much flexible is our FPM+fastcgi cache setup
(No redis cache possibile, due to license on plugin to support it)