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Hi everyone, I just launched https://easyindie.app to promote the idea of self-hosting via ‘one-click install’ systems like Cloudron, Caprover, and Yunohost. Any feedback is welcome and the code is open-source.

Hope this encourages more people to own their data.

https://easyindie.app

https://github.com/0dataapp/easyindie

@rosano said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

@jdaviescoates beautiful list, and thanks to everyone for compiling so many options here. would love to integrate more into easyindie.app (preferably ones that don't require too much command-line setup / management), it's open-source so people can also make pull requests, i can help explain how to add other platforms ️

I realize it might be complex for me or any other person to integrate some of these into the easyindie.app listing, so I compiled them in simple text over at awesome-0data and added a few of my own, such as:

• libreserver: Your own personal server.
• ApisCP: Full-stack hosting platform with self-healing technology.
• CloudPanel: Run your favorite applications and frameworks without any additional configuration.
• Gardens: Host your own apps, find open-source tools, share how-to guides.
• Yacht: Container management UI with a focus on templates and 1-click deployments.
• Syncloud: Run your apps at your premises.

Also be welcome to contribute by editing the document.

I wrote a little guide for myself to clarify the steps and will share it below in case it's helpful for GUI-oriented people like me.

Can cloudron build pin with the 'latest' tag while also using the generated one (e.g. 20240319-170424-2309d298a) or the version tag from CloudronManifest.json? I would like to simplify my code below to not specify --tag anywhere if possible.

Finally managed to install a custom app via Cloudron by following the tutorial documentation, and without installing Docker.

1. Install the Cloudron CLI locally

sudo npm install -g cloudron
cloudron login my.example.com

2. Setup build tools

One-click install the Docker Registry App (replace alfa.bravo below with this app domain) and Build Service App (replace charlie.delta below with this app domain) via your Cloudron App Store. Configure the latter’s credentials in /app/data/docker.json

{
  "alfa.bravo": {
    "username": "CLOUDRON_USERNAME",
    "password": "CLOUDRON_PASSWORD"
  }
}

and restart the app.

3. Install the pre-packaged custom app

Replace the simple tutorial app with yours:

git clone https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/tutorial-nodejs-app
cd tutorial-nodejs-app
cloudron build --set-build-service https://charlie.delta --set-repository alfa.bravo/echo/foxtrot --tag golf
cloudron install --image alfa.bravo/echo/foxtrot:golf

If you want to update, run cloudron build again, then call cloudron update like so:

cloudron build --set-build-service https://charlie.delta --set-repository alfa.bravo/echo/foxtrot --tag golf
cloudron update --image alfa.bravo/echo/foxtrot:golf

Resources

Aside from the tutorial documentation, I found some hints in these forum topics:

• How to build (custom) apps using the docker-registry
• How do I do this??
• UI not working

thanks to everyone for the feedback, great to hear you are receptive to the idea.

i'm personally super excited to get cloudron working for myself, it feels like the slickest and most robust option. i had it working but i need to save up so i can purchase the full version. congrats to this community on creating something so awesome and empowering with a sustainable business model too, y'all are trailblazers.

@girish Interesting, there seem to be many 'alternative' lists like this:

• Apps – TROM-Jaro https://www.tromjaro.com/apps/
• Google Alternatives 2020: Best Privacy Friendly Alternatives https://justprivacy.org/google-alternatives/
• Ethical Alternatives & Resources - ethical.net https://ethical.net/resources/
• switching.software | Ethical, easy-to-use and privacy-conscious alternatives to well-known software https://switching.software/
• degoogle | A huge list of alternatives to Google products. Privacy tips, tricks, and links. https://degoogle.jmoore.dev/

but BTW focuses on open-source. None seem to focus on 'easy to install' though…

@jdaviescoates i didn't know about the lifecycle settings, tried it and it reduced total size by 90% after a few days

@joseph i think this was around the time i switched from aws to backblaze, but i understand it didn't transfer pre-existing backups, only starting fresh, although i could be wrong. will try deleting everything if needed, but so far the previous solution works for me

@jdaviescoates The "App Passwords" is a pretty amazing feature, didn't know about that. I tried it and it works well, but it's still possible to login with the main account. I guess I worry that if someone can brute force guess the main account via one app, then it compromises all the apps…

@timconsidine thanks! it's actually 'comfortable text reading width' which i carry over from blogging and writing, but i might want to rethink this as it's not text-based ;).

i need to also have other options for going through the list, i never thought people would 'go through' it, assumed that people search for what they know already.

Ghost recently made a UI for this https://ghost.org/changelog/signup-spam-protection/

thanks again for all your great feedback. i have truly underestimated how important it is to browse via list and will make sure to add that next and let you all know. i actually had that working before and took it out!

re: the discussion about comparing platforms, i thought i had built in a filter for platforms but apparently i didn't, so i quickly deployed that now. you can search for 'yunohost' for example and see the apps that are there. might be easier to spot which ones aren't yet on cloudron. and of course there is the export of project data https://easyindie.app/projects.json for those who like to wrangle json.

The number one feedback from various communities is to show the apps as a list instead of icons, made a small update for this today. Hope it's easier to navigate:

https://easyindie.app/glance

Thanks @jayonrails, I appreciate your help and I think this is quite useful actually. I guess free -h and swapon --show say that the swap is completely used:

              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:          1.9Gi       1.4Gi        78Mi        17Mi       423Mi       314Mi
Swap:         980Mi       980Mi       0.0Ki

NAME       TYPE SIZE   USED PRIO
/apps.swap file 981M 980.9M   -2

And the available memory from the former seems quite low and perhaps close to what might cause issues.

In total I'm running:

• 1 x YOURLS (256 MiB limit)
• 3 x Ghost (300 MiB limit)
• 1 x n8n (1 GiB limit)
• 1 x Surfer (256 MiB limit)
• 1 x Tiny RSS (256 MiB limit)
• 1 App proxy

I guess the apps capped at 2668 MiB on a machine with 2 GB plus 1 GB swap is cutting things close. I was avoiding doubling my server costs but maybe I'll have to see what options I have. Thanks for sharing all the info

@Kubernetes i'm having difficulty making time to do a PR, feel free to copy

Is there a faster way to get an app to the latest version than manually triggering the update for each version between the current and latest? I didn't upgrade to Ghost 5 for a while and now I can't jump to 5.9, I must go through 5.4, 5.4.1, 5.4.2, etc…

@girish said in Cloudron 7.6 released:

app proxy: Host header is set to match the proxy domain instead of the target domain

I think this change broke my App Proxy for Plausible analytics. Would be nice to have the previous behaviour (or fork the older version).

@github-tijlxyz Amazing work and thanks for packaging it both on Cloudron and Yunohost. Is there an example for how users.json should be structured?

I hadn't figured out custom apps so I went on a rabbit hole yesterday and made a little guide for anyone who might need it.

In case it's relevant to anyone there's nostr-relay that can be one-click installed on umbrelOS, but only on raspberry pi until the vm version comes out.

@girish ssh times out:

ssh: connect to host XXXXX port 22: Operation timed out

Does this also need platform services to start first? I feel a bit stuck here. Can I downgrade somehow?

@nebulon said in "fatal: not a git repository":

Have you tried to use a subfolder in /app/data/ for this? This is where data is kept persistently in Cloudron.

Been using this folder and seems like it has had no issues for a week or two now thanks for clarifying

@girish said in App Proxy set host header:

@rosano so your plausible is running with a different domain with https and you are proxying from cloudron with another domain name ?

they recommend setting the Host header to plausible.io, for example with nginx. I suppose that's what the App Proxy was doing before the update. I imagine it's not the direction Cloudron is going, in which case a hostable fork of the previous version would be amazing.

@nebulon seems also that the swap file was commented out in /etc/fstab (again not sure why/how) so it doesn't persist across restarts, and I guess the script you posted wouldn't affect this.

# /apps.swap  none  swap  sw  0 0

After uncommenting and reboot now, there seems to be a swap file via swapon:

/apps.swap file 3.7G 1.8M   -2

And all apps are running / stopped as expected, nothing hanging thanks for your patience and help .

I wonder what about this could have to do with the latest Cloudron update as I didn't touch anything in the last days and everything seemed to be fine.