Good points and I agree. I’ve tried most, and they don’t perform even a fraction as well as Cloudron. Kudos and respect to @girish @nebulon @staff for all they do to make Cloudron the only viable offering of its kind.

@necrevistonnezr thanks. I have added a note in https://docs.cloudron.io/guides/upgrade-ubuntu-22/ and https://docs.cloudron.io/guides/upgrade-ubuntu-20/

Thanks for clarifying. Yeah I realized that a while ago, planning to do it differently, maybe even before the migration!

I will move this to Discuss instead since we don't have knowledge of netdata. Looking at an old thread, it seems @AmbroiseUnly , @imc67 and @cvachery may know more about netdata.

I think this topic is more suitable in N8N discussion since this can be achieved by integrating any AI agent through webhook to custom chat interface

@uwcrbc the branding change in platform side is quite easy. The env var is injected already with https://git.cloudron.io/platform/box/-/commit/daa8a60da282fc3c8bbccd4b2b1a4920c2b06812 . But the apps have to be updated. I think we should have this feature in 8.2, yes. And yes, the forum or the blog is the best place. Usually, we announce it here only when it's "stable" . Otherwise, there is a frenzy to update and we don't want to hose things if it was not so stable.

Alright guest search is enabled. Given that the search visibility setting by now has moved to user privileges, maybe some nodebb update expected to adjust this accordingly....

I guess making Hetzner advertisement helps: https://x.com/heyandras/status/1853306984076104128

@igaudette I've been using the built in mail server without any problems whatsoever for a few years now. I had to white/greylist my IP at the very beginning but no issues since.

Agreed. Cloudron is A+:)

For anyone wondering on the same question as I did: Dovecot seems to be a standard IMAP server for now, which seems to be used on majority of servers. It claims to be written with security in mind, which doesn't seem to help to avoid privileges escalations, buffer overflow, crashes (on the same page - below). Given the dominance of that mail server on the internet, it seems to be a go-to solution for many, just like Ubuntu, referred here above, is; so I wouldn't expect it to be replaced on Cloudron anytime soon. Given the self-confidence of the authors, that claims that running from root is not a big deal and not providing any easily ready to use solution, I doubt that many will go extra mile to implement that on they own; given Cloudron limited resources and luck of advertising and hence focus to be security first platform, dovecot processes will remain to be running as root. From the positive side, root owned processes are not opening any network port, so direct exploitation would be problematic. Hope that would be of help.

That does not sound like fun. This might be something worth looking into: https://microsoft-search.github.io/pnp-modern-search/

@fbartels Just to be clear, I'm using one license for one client and that client has multiple employees. If I was using Cloudron for multiple clients, I'd want to use a different installation for each client for sure.

Yeah, it's not too hard to set up. But you have to educate all your users to install the client side certs on their OS/browser and also how to remove them etc. They also most likely break all the mobile apps. Of course, it's useful, no doubt but it's really meant for a niche set of use cases and that too in enterprises where they can preinstall these certs into the laptops and devices. That said, you are right that it's probably easy to implement

@timconsidine Yes I have no doubt it requires a lot of times. My point is that the apps added are so random... You try to please everyone but the paid subscription is more adapted to business users. If you would focus on adding more apps that can help business growth and save money, you would have much more paid users. I own many businesses and there are a lot of open source apps that can help us scale and minimize our costs. Some have been voted many times here, but despite this, they never been added. I understand you may want to prioritize simpler apps to manage but is it the main point of paying Cloudron, to get complex apps fully managed? I have seen a lot of users posting on this forum and say they would pay a higher subscription to have access to more business-oriented apps but all these replies seem ignored. I'm not saying increase your price (pls folks don't throw me rocks lol) but if you limit good apps just because you feel we don't pay enough to justify the maintenance costs, then I believe you should really considering a new plan that give access to those premium apps. What you have to lose doing this? For a business paying 30$ or 40$ it's nothing. More revenue for you, make your business users happy. Seem a win-win.

@DanTheMan : Thank you for your post. Got netbird-server running on a VPS. Now I wanted to install it on a VM with docker running in Proxmox. Nating to the reqired ports is set, firewallports are open and even in one trial switched off. Same error. The public-domain was reachable < 45sec. Therefore no installation. Now my questions: does anyone have netbird running in a LXC with docker in Proxmox and could help me out with some idea? Or does netbird have a problem with nating in general? I couldn't find any information on nating and netbird. Thank you for your help. Anton

FYI the migration to Hetzner Storage Box coming from Contabo Object Storage was worth it and fixed all failures related to backups whether it was in term of stability or duration. I didn't encounter issues yet, despite I'm using encrypted backups and i've plenty of apps including Nextcloud but I don't have as much data on it.