So i'm pretty sure I figured it out, but only time will tell.
Both of these domains the initial domain propagation and automation through cloudron's domain controller (from the main dashboard) all the way to the deployment and installation to applications was rushed. The initial rushing of it meant that the install got either halfway finished (or a migration from one original install to the new domain) was botched in some way.
Manually removing all DNS records doesn't work and cloudron gets all confused. The way I was able to remedy this and fix it all was to delete all DNS records and add an A record for my server: host @ & www respectively, two entries. So it'd be the following
@jakobgreenfeld Oh I missed the bit where theres only a txt record. Add an A record pointing my.domain.com to your IP. I've had nothing but trouble with Namecheap's API for configuring everything so I've started doing this:
@girish That would be ideal! In fact if that can come in the next couple of months, I'll hold off my own DNS change until that's there. Because the whole "my." doesn't really conform to the standards that people expect when they need to enter in their server names for a mail server. I'd definitely love if Cloudron could use it's own "mail" subdomain and it's own certificate for the mail server portion so that I can still have clients connect to mail.<domain>.<tld> without impact since that's what I have told a dozen or so to do already over the last 1.5 years. 🙂
And no, the decision wasn't anything to do with Cloudron or DigitalOcean really. My main reason for the move away from DigitalOcean isn't anything to do with Cloudron or DigitalOcean. If you're curious... the decision was mostly for two reasons:
A movement from both myself and my clients to keep everything (as much as possible) in Canada. And my current DNS provider (LunaNode) has their infrastructure in Canada only (well France too, I believe). It's one of those "shop local" sort of things.
The DNS provider I currently use has a great feature that I can take advantage of in the future when running a secondary Cloudron server as a mirror image of the first one (waiting for that clustering capabilities in the future, hint hint haha). The advantage is that they have monitoring tools I can use, and based on those monitoring tools they can automatically update DNS records to the other IP address if monitoring detects one of the servers as "down" for whatever reason. To me this is like the health checks in load balancing, but I don't have to pay for load balancing with this solution. 😉 I see this as a further advantage to using LunaNode for the DNS management.
So yeah, nothing to do with Cloudron or DigitalOcean really, so no worries there. Just a decision made for various reasons (the biggest two above, but also a bit of my own OCD and others haha).
I will keep my primary domain on DigitalOcean then for now if you think the SSL cert for the mail subdomain would arrive in the next couple of months. 🙂 Because I think that's a fantastic idea, and I think that was something I mentioned or questioned back when I started using Cloudron because I was so surprised that it had to be "my." as that's not something that conforms to the standards of mail server hostnames, and I wanted to keep things more standard for my clients to avoid having to explain non-standard implementations. I say standard loosely here as I realize there's no official standard, but it's more a de-facto one that mail. is the subdomain to use, or imap., etc.
@nebulon For sure, yeah I figured it may need more interest before it's implemented, and realistically I'm probably the only Cloudron user who's hosting on LunaNode (though I'd love to know if others are too), as I think LunaNode is a nice hidden gem that's not overly used yet and I switched to them recently as I had heard great things and their pricing is pretty good. Brief recommendation at the bottom for anyone interested. I'll let them know too about Cloudron in case they can do anything to help out too. 👍
On the topic of DNS at LunaNode though... it seems pretty awesome from what I can tell, as it has integrated load balancing and failover which is perfect and works with their included monitoring feature too (which is like Uptime Robot but provided by LunaNode), and so if my monitor fails and I have a second DNS entry, it'll automatically remove the failed one from the DNS records temporarily until it's back online, giving only the backup DNS entry for the "hot standby" server. Hoping to take advantage of those features in the not too distant future if it's feasible for me to run a second "hot standby" server. Waiting on Cloudron to add in some functionality to clustering which I think is coming in v6. 😉 Once that's there, I hope to be able to do that. Nudge nudge. haha.
🗣 Brief recommendation based on my initial tests so far for other Cloudron users who want a good inexpensive hosting provider: I recently moved my Cloudron server from OVH to LunaNode to test out their performance, and the exact same Cloudron server in OVH used to take 10 minutes to fully come online after a reboot in OVH, and having restored that same server in LunaNode it now takes only 2-3 minutes to fully come online. That's also with some memory-intensive applications like Mastodon and NodeBB (which are always the last two to start in my environment given their resource usage). Same 8 GB nodes between OVH and LunaNode too. This performance improvement now cuts my downtime after reboots for security updates by almost 75%! That's my brief recommendation for LunaNode. haha.
@girish This is an interesting observation. I was just looking to see if this was a real security threat or not, and I suppose it isn't but can offer a bit more privacy using the wildcard approach. Any particular reason why the Let's Encrypt wildcard support can't be done through the actual Cloudron wildcard DNS approach? Is there a way to support this? I'd really like to take advantage of a smaller DNS provider which has some great monitoring features included, but it isn't supported via any API by Cloudron yet, so if I go that route I can only use the Wildcard option, but those don't actually allow for the wildcard certificates.
Edit: Nevermind, I see why in the docs: "Let's Encrypt only allows obtaining wildcard certificates using DNS automation. Cloudron will default to obtaining wildcard certificates when using one of the programmatic DNS API providers."