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Hi @timconsidine I hope you can get back to your family soon.

The 3 I'd suggest are Matrix, DeltaChat and Briar.

I'm aware that support and infrastructure been created for people inside Ukraine (and those who need to communicate with people in Ukraine), in the case of external Internet access being disconnected.

These servers are for Matrix, and Deltachat.

Right now, I know there are 3 different Matrix servers hosted inside Ukraine - Kharkiv, Odessa, and Kyiv.

DeltaChat is essentially instant messaging over email which then communicate via specific generic email servers. A user sets up a server by scanning a QR-code, then adds the people they want to chat with. It is localised to Ukranian and Russian.

Right now, there are 3 DeltaChat (email) servers hosted inside Ukraine - Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Odessa.

The last is Briar messenger. It is a messenger app for Android, Linux and MacOS (the mobile device version is most "featureful" supporting 1-1, group messaging, the Mac OS and Linux clients support 1-1 messaging only).

There is no server infrastructure required, it is peer-to-peer. It uses different peer-to-peer transports like the Tor network, Bluetooth, and the same local network. If you'd like to try out Briar with me, let me know, I use it.

There's webpages (in English, Ukranian, and Russian) with all the info for each city Kharkiv, Kyiv, and Odessa.

Another option to not forget, but often forgotten in the "Internet focused" world, is communications via licensed amateur radio operators. You'd obviously need to know a licensed operator where you are and in your family's city but much more robust in terms of dealing with censorship/breakdown in IP based communications. I'm assuming you're in the UK so RSGB.org is the UK amateur radio society. Unsure of the Ukraninan equivalent. Not something for immediate need, and I hope you won't need it in the future.

Apologies for the maybe pointed question - but as a UX Designer I'm curious about the backgrounds of Cloudron users.

I'm interested in knowing people's jobs/professions/what they spend most of their day doing.

I'm interested if people are mostly "infrastructure profession users" (sysadmins, devops), "developer/programming users", not-technical users (gross over-simplified term, no insult meant), scientists, academic, or someone like me ux designer/graphic/visual designers (somewhere in between the technical and non-technical user).

My reasoning for asking is to see if there are similarities between people here and UX designers I meet and work with who say "oh I can't be bothered/don't have the skills to move away from Google/Office265/Dropbox".

I was thinking of creating a simple survey. Would there be any objections?

@doodlemania2 said in Update Baserow package to 1.7.1:

I've been using it extensively from unstable instead of my own installed version - it's working VERY well.

I've also been using it for sharing data I've migrated from Airtable and Seacloud. They're small ~500-600 row tables. And it' working well too.

The main thing is the (currently) limited functionality but I am happy to wait as development progresses.

Thanks to you and your community for creating Baserow @bram.

Every morning, after coffeeing myself sufficiently, the first thing I do is, go check the new apps sections of my Cloudron. This morning I almost spat my coffee out when I saw this:

Penpot has arrived on Cloudron! Thank you to those who have packaged it.

So, what do I do? Obviously click install as quickly as I possibly could!

Some observations:

• Today, for some reason, the install process took "longer" than I experienced other app installs.

This is based purely on my perception. It seemed the install got ~ 50% and then slowed. Looking at the app logs as it was installing, the download was proceeding. It did finish installing.

As I said this was my perception, and could have been caused by many things - my Internet speed, load on whatever server I was pulling the image from, not enough coffe, etc.

• On first click, I got a "Bad gateway" error message saying Penpot was doing some small maintenance on the servers.

This confused me obviously because this wasn't running on Penpot servers, but mine. This could be solved by improving the Penpot "error" message, not Cloudron

This error did worry me as I wasn't sure what had gone wrong. I tried 2 things:

1. upping the RAM to 4GB, and
2. restarted the app after RAM increase

(I'm assuming neither of these actions actually fixed anything. I will reduce RAM later on and see what happens.)

When the app came back up, I was presented with the login screen:

Success!

It would be nice to understand the cause of the Bad Gateway error, and see if it could be fixed.

• Once I clicked OpenID I was asked to login with my Cloudron account username/password/2fa token, then to authorise.

Presumably this authorisation is to allow my user name to use the penpot instance? Unsure. I think this authorisation part could be either explained better, or maybe hidden?

• Once I confirmed my full name (nice, prefilled, one less thing to do), I was presented with my familiar Penpot workspace.

So far so good. Thanks to all for finally getting this on Cloudron.

@privsec said in What's coming in Cloudron 7.1:

@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 7.1:

Whatever jitsi needs

This is the coolest thing I have read all week.

@girish you and your team do amazing work and I can never thank you enough.

I also wanted to say thank you for your development work.

I don't have enough time to post in the forums but I appreciate, on a daily basis, the work you all do on Cloudron.

I am regularly (pleasantly) surprised when I see my server has been updated to the next verison, without issues. This is a testament to your great work.

If you're interested in penpot, then you should probably attend their talk at our Open Source Design (cough shameless plug opensourcedesign.net/ cough) devroom at FOSDEM this weekend.

https://fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/penpot_design_freedom_for_teams/

I reaaaaaaally want to see penpot and presentator on Cloudron.

It would make me very happy, in a world currently full of .

@scooke I use Limesurvey a lot. It is comprehensive, and very powerful but (how do I put this diplomatically) takes a long time to achieve what is much quicker with other tools. I'll put one together.

I've searched the forum for a mention of "self destructing email" but haven't found anything. I've use EmailPoubelle in the past. It will create email addresses which last for 15 mins, 1 week, X months. You give it a real email address to forward the mail to. After the period (or manually) the address expires. The UI is a bit confusing, but it works well.

As I notice people here focus on privacy, minimising personal information being leaked, this would be a useful tool to have.

It could be configured to one of the subdomains/app domains.

I'm of course open to other alternatives. This is just one I've used.

As I've maybe mentioned before I'm a UX designer and user researcher. I'm a big user of Miro, especially now with the Covid-19s - work I'd be doing with clients standing in front of a wall with sticky notes and pieces of paper I now have t0 do remotely. (mainly planning research/workshops/heavily collaborative work).

Last year I spent some time looking for alternatives to Miro (mainly Whimsical, and Mural) but didn't find any actually useful and usable alternatives.

Is anyone aware of a self-hostable, open source alternative?

Thanks!

@yusf Yes they can!

The people in Kaleidos are good people. They've really put efforts into Penpot.

They came to our FOSDEM devroom last year explaining how a French company started contributing to penpot (Then called UXBOX) and they got "embarrassed" that someone else was contributing when they weren't!

Here's the talk from last year: https://archive.fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/uxbox_open_source_online_prototyping_platform/

EDIT: From reading this Github issue in the repo for this app, it doesn't look like it yet supports Nextcloud 20.

So, definitely don't use this app in 20, or don't upgrade to 20 until it's supported.

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As a (possible) help to others who want to upgrade to NC 20.

I tried to upgrade from 19.0.? to 20.0.1 a few times, each time the upgrade failed: the NC instance wouldn't start up.

I eventually tracked it down to the "External storage support for Google Drive" application. It was generating the following in the logs:

Nov 11 20:52:21 [Wed Nov 11 19:52:21.650912 2020] [php7:error] [pid 777] [client 172.18.0.1:46074] PHP Fatal error: Interface 'OCA\\Files_External\\Lib\\Config\\IBackendProvider' not found in /app/data/apps/files_external_gdrive/lib/AppInfo/Application.php on line 32, referer: https://saneux.ei8fdb.org/setting/apps/disabled/files_external_gdrive

I had this installed, but not configured.

Solution

To solve this issue (while still upgrading to 20.0.1 and get the instance restarted):

• restore to my last backup (on 19.0.3)
• disable the "External storage support for Google Drive" app
• upgrade to 20.0.1

I tried to reenable the Google Drive app but it has caused the instance to restart and hang.

It was possible to get the NC into recovery mode, but it wasn't possible to use the occ command on commandline to disable the app.

When it hangs the only way to solve it is to downgrade to 19.0.3 again as explained above in Solution.

I'd suggest not upgrading to 20.0.1, or not using this app until a later release comes out.

@nebulon said in Support "standard" Cloudron login screen with LDAP creds?:

the need for upstream LDAP support.

Yup, understood. Just to let you know, LDAP has already been requested.

Hi there,

I've been looking at Cloudron for a while. Long story short I'm a User-centred designer who works in open source software. I used to be an engineer in a previous career for 10+ years, so I'm drawn towards open source, decentralised self-hosted options. The problem is I'm no longer able to/want to keep up with the new things. I don't want to be the on-call sysadmin after work.

The Cloudron software (so far I'm trying it out now) is very nice. You handle a lot of the complicated parts of self-hosting nicely (I really like your DNS configuration - it makes a really complicated thing actually achievable).

I'm part of a group of user-centred designers (OpenSourceDesign.net) who use (try to as much as possible) open source tools, work on open source projects and advocate for improving usability in open source software.

One of the most difficult challenges we have is persuading designers to start using open source, and decentralised software. They don't understand the huge number of tools avilable to them.

Have you considered packaging design related open source applications? Like Presentator for testing design wireframes? You've already got Limesurvey, which I use for carrying out user research. There's others I can suggest too.

otranscribe is an audio transcription app, which works completely in the browser local storage. (you could argue there's not need to make a cloudron app for it but I'd argue there is )

It allows users to play/rewind/fast forward/adjust playback speed of audio while transcribing.

It also spits out nice and simple md files.

https://otranscribe.com/

It's used heavily by journalists, academics, UX people, translators and language experts.

Installation is pretty straight forward (he says approximating):

https://github.com/oTranscribe/oTranscribe

I might try packaging this myself.

@humptydumpty said in What do you do?:

It turns out if you know CAD/CAM + Rendering + general knowledge in coding/tech, there's nothing you can't create and sell online. At this stage, I'm not sure what my job title is. A modeler, a creator, or a retailer? This question always makes me pause and I end up telling people, "I do computer stuff" and they assume I'm coding all day long

Don't worry thats common - I started life as an electronics technician, then became a systems administrator, then a networks engineer, and now a UX Designer - most of my family and friends still introduce me as "working in computers".

And my family have always assumed I do coding even though I cannot code to save my life.

You've got an interesting background. Welcome!

@micmc said in Focalboard:

@daniel-goletz Personally I think cloudron has already enough of these. There is:
....

I also agree, there is a metric sh1t-tonne (tehnical term ) of project management/Kanban/task management boards available on Cloudron. (I'm going to open a thread about what I think is missing from Cloudron, instead of possibly derailing the discussion about this app here.)

I'll have a closer look at Focalboard, but from what I've seen I wouldn't not equate a kanban/task/project management tool to Notion. It is 80% note taking with 20% other stuff, including kanban board.

OK, downloaded and used it for 30 mins.

It's no-way a note-taking, info management app. It's a to-do list/task manager/kanban board with notes (about the tasks) add-on.

The only way it would be like Notion is if you were using Notion as a kanban/task manager.

I spend alot of my time making forms, surveys, ways to gather data.

My suggestions:

• if you want to make 1 contact form (text input fields, maybe some simple selections from combox, radio buttons) and use that data for something I'd suggest Nextcloud & the Forms app. Forms is perfect for the majority of simple form needs. It spits it out to a CSV and also does simple graphing. But it handles other forms needs well (closing forms after X time, max/min selections). There is simple visual modifications.

• if you plan to make a lot of form and more advanced forms (all the above plus branching logic - e.g. if you choose answer 2 skip to form page 5, control access to the form) I'd suggest Limesurvey. But be prepared it is not trivial to use. You can modify it visually.

• if you want to make a simple form for gathering to just gather data and write it to a nicely manipulatable database you, I'd suggest Baserow like others have suggested (e.g. here is a form I created to gather participants names for research. No idea about visual modifications.

I'd recommend trying nextcloud first. The benefit of cloud storage comes for free and it needs (I think) less resources than the other options.

Hi @jimcavoli is there any movement on packaging Penpot for Cloudron? Is there anything you need, could do with help on?

I'm a UX designer and I use Penpot for my work, and I run my own Cloudron hosted services.

If there's anything I can do to help in the packaging, please let me know.

@bushido I've been using Joplin (install the client on your device/s and then synch via the Joplin server available on Cloudron) as a replacement for Evernote for personal and work usage for the past 1 year and it is the closest alternative for me. The only area is lacks in comparison to Evernote is in note sharing, but it works well.