Google suspended Element in Play Store
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I'll just leave this here for your own thoughts on who's in charge of what you can or can't use:
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They tried. Failed.
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And this is exactly the reason why we need more PWAs. While ironically its a technique coined at Google as well, it frees users and admins from central app stores.
You were recently asking about the "perfect chat app" just imagine having a pwa chat app and if you want to talk with someone you send them a link to a room, they click on it, give their display name and install it from the same link. Now they can just open the chat again from their app launcher. And automatically updating whenever the application on the server was updated.
Meet is designed as a PWA and while its primarily a video app, it recently got an in call temporary chat option (end to end encrypted through WebRTC).
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@fbartels said in Google suspended Element in Play Store:
Meet is designed as a PWA and while its primarily a video app, it recently got an in call temporary chat option (end to end encrypted through WebRTC).
That's great! I've often missed having chat whilst having a meeting using Kopano Meet.
Would also be nice to have a gallery view (as they call it in Zoom) so that in one to one meetings your own video isn't stuck as a tiny square.
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Yes PWAs are nice. However, they all share the same flaw, which is the push notification feature. This makes building high-paced social applications impossible.
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@yusf
Firefox stops working on progressive web app support
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This is alarming but was to be expected. As a free, decentralized alternative, Element has something of a target on its chest. The argument that "the" matrix server (matrix.org) has/had questionable content and that the Element client is therefore banned is highly questionable, but thats exactly the kind of argument that you have to put forward if you want to prevent people from using free alternatives.
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@subven Totally agree - by that logic, they should ban all the web browsers because they could connect to a site with highly objectionable content. Probably all the VPNs and other general-purpose utilities too. It's a dangerously slippery slope for sure.
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@jimcavoli I mean, for that matter, computers allow access to objectionable stuff... One could argue that the root cause is actually having eyes ...
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@mehdi as long as we humans exist there will be obscene content. So destroy all humans?
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@yusf said in Google suspended Element in Play Store:
they all share the same flaw, which is the push notification feature
There are push notifications in PWAs https://medium.com/better-programming/everything-you-need-to-know-about-pwas-push-notifications-e870bb54e14f
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@fbartels But if it's not available on mobile and cross-platform it's of no use as nothing can be built for a general target group.
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While we are at it.
Did anyone try to host Cloudron as an Onion Service?Just tagging @girish and @nebulon to maybe get some insights about Onion Services and Cloudron.
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@brutalbirdie tbh I don't have much experience with onion services, so no not really.
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@fbartels If only all push notifications could be uninvented, I'd be very happy!
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@yusf said in Google suspended Element in Play Store:
But if it's not available on mobile
On Android that works quite well. If only there would be no Apple in the world... https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/114503
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@fbartels On the other hand: If only there would be no Apple in the world we'd be completely at the whims of one of the largest data mining operation in the world.
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@fbartels There would need to be something better than Apple for my needs, and much of my favourite software is Mac-only. I can run Linux & Windows VMs/VPS from Mac but not the other way around.
Seriously, I'd pay to have zero push notifications, they are a psychological plague in purporting that external attention-seeking is more important than self-determined attention.
I miss the days when phones were for calls & text messages only.
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@yusf Technically you can hack a Mac but it's asking for unsupported trouble, anything relying on hardware support is vulnerable. I could drive a kit-car too, but I value my time more than money, and would literally spend twice as much for half the hassles. Taken me 20 years of refining, but very happy with my setup
