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New option I came across called BasedFlare - https://gitgud.io/fatchan/haproxy-protection Might be useful for @staff

@LoudLemur AFAIK, you need a new premium license for each server you want to run more than two apps on. The "premium" isn't for the "account" on Cloudron.io, it's for that specific server/vps. I have no idea how to transfer the premium license from one Cloudron to another but I'm sure it's possible. The Cloudron team is working on multi-host but I haven't read anything on how that would work.

@nebulon Can you share the graph or numbers of growth, so we can rejoice too!

It looks like any of the Firebase tutorials can be used on Cloudron by replacing Firebase with NocoDB or Baserow for a fully self hosted setup. @LoudLemur To your point, someone could create ShipOn.Cloudron.io and actually implement such solutions using Cloudron Apps, showing how or even deploying saved backups for a fast starting point. Fun and

@timconsidine said in Video Streaming for Cloudron: @LoudLemur in my understanding, streaming (especially Live) is not so much a question of technology, but of scale and server/bandwidth resources to support dozens, hundreds, thousands of connections. It is necessary to consider use case and scale in order to answer effective performance. I think you have a pretty good idea of how that should be thought from the basis. So, in this regard, asking oneself for a start, what's the ultimate goal using video streaming or even podcasts or video sharing would be worth spending a bit of time on the question. As @luckow mentioned about the possibilities and limitations of a VPS using a 1G bandwidth, it is important to keep in mind that for live streaming to large audiences it will eventually take more than 1G of bw output to smoothly scale streaming to such audience, whatever output capacity you have on your server. When you get in the thousands of live viewers even increasing RAM on the server won't be sufficient, it will help but you will need a bigger pipe to push it out. OBS Ninja is a good example. Relatively simple to install/host. But how much does it support ? I don't know, but I would guess on most VPS servers or even small dedicated servers, it would be relatively limited. OBS is used on your local rig and so it depends on your local resources to reach the streaming service server. I know Peertube has live streaming capacities as well, however I haven't had the time to test it out yet. It would be interesting to learn about anyone else who might have tested this already, and if tested with OBS and well it works, or not lol Happy for someone to challenge this understanding. Would love to be proved wrong. Happy to prove you right

@LoudLemur ah ok, I didn't actually watch the video External links always worry me, thanks for clarifying.

There's this guide - https://docs.cloudron.io/guides/upgrade-ubuntu-20/ in case you haven't seen it already. Main gotcha is that the mysql server sometimes upgrades and sometimes doesn't. In the end, we want MySQL server 8. Sometimes, it asks you whether you want to remove mysql data. Be sure not to remove it!

Flatpack and Appimage formats do not provide the kind of process and filesystem isolation that Docker does. I would not be comfortable running run a service like Cloudron if it allowed running things other than well-defined/managed containers. Yes, there are ways to break isolation and escalate out of a Docker container, but flatpack apps can, essentially, write anywhere on my system. Updating the ecosystem is also much more difficult; by comparison, it is possible to auto-build Docker containers from source and track recent updates/manage timely security vulns in a way that flatpack/appimage packages do not/rarely do.

Both the old java as well as the bedrock edition have now been updated.

Yup, we are also in DigitalOcean, AWS Markplace, Vultr as well. Time4VPS also has an image but it's outdated, unfortunately we don't control that image. If anyone knows other hosting providers where we should integrate let us know Even better if you have a contact in those providers...

@grienauer When I did my testing for the Valheim Server App I wrote this script to make testing easier. Note tho, this only works when not using any addons, but localstorage works with the local mount. #!/bin/bash # Function to get the user to input the needed vars get_vars () { read -p "Cloudron E-Mail: " EMAIL read -p "Cloudron Username: " USERNAME read -s -p "Cloudron Password: " PASSWORD read -p "Cloudron URL: " CLOUDRON_URL read -p "DOCKER REPOSITORY URL: " DOCKER_REPOSITORY_URL read -p "DOCKER USERNAME: " DOCKER_REPOSITORY_USERNAME read -p -s "DOCKER PASSWORD: " DOCKER_REPOSITORY_PASSWORD printf "EMAIL=$EMAIL\n USERNAME=$USERNAME\n PASSWORD=$PASSWORD\n CLOUDRON_URL=$CLOUDRON_URL\n DOCKER_REPOSITORY_URL=$DOCKER_REPOSITORY_URL\n DOCKER_REPOSITORY_USERNAME=$DOCKER_REPOSITORY_USERNAME\n DOCKER_REPOSITORY_PASSWORD=$DOCKER_REPOSITORY_PASSWORD\n " > .env } # check if .env file exists and read it or check if vars exsist if [ -f ".env" ]; then export $(egrep -v '^#' .env | xargs) &> /dev/null else echo ".env File missing - asking for required vars" get_vars fi if [ -z "$EMAIL" ] || [ -z "$USERNAME" ] || [ -z "$PASSWORD" ] || [ -z "$CLOUDRON_URL" ] || [ -z "$DOCKER_REPOSITORY_URL" ] || [ -z "$DOCKER_REPOSITORY_USERNAME" ] || [ -z "$DOCKER_REPOSITORY_PASSWORD" ]; then echo "some vars are empty - asking for required vars" get_vars fi echo "=> Login Docker" docker login --username $DOCKER_REPOSITORY_USERNAME --password $DOCKER_REPOSITORY_PASSWORD $DOCKER_REPOSITORY_URL echo "=> Login Cloudron" cloudron login --username $USERNAME --password $PASSWORD my.$CLOUDRON_URL set -x # Get the ID and VERSION from the CloudronManifest.json ID=$(jq -r ".id" CloudronManifest.json) VERSION=$(jq -r ".version" CloudronManifest.json) echo "=> Create Test Data dir" mkdir -p ./cloudron_test/data ./cloudron_test/tmp ./cloudron_test/run echo "=> Cleanup Test Data" rm -rf ./cloudron_test/data/* ./cloudron_test/tmp/* ./cloudron_test/run/* echo "=> Build test image" cloudron build --set-repository $DOCKER_REPOSITORY_URL/$ID # docker build -t $DOCKER_REPOSITORY_URL/$ID:$VERSION . if [[ RUN_IMG = "" ]]; then read -p "Do you want to run the image created image?: (y/N)" RUN_IMG fi if [[ "$RUN_IMG" = "y" || "$RUN_IMG" = "Y" ]]; then echo "=> Run `test` tag of build image" docker run -ti --read-only \ --volume $(pwd)/cloudron_test/data:/app/data:rw \ --volume $(pwd)/cloudron_test/tmp:/tmp:rw \ --volume $(pwd)/cloudron_test/run:/run:rw \ $DOCKER_REPOSITORY_URL/$ID:$VERSION \ bash fi echo "=> Running tests" cd test echo "=> Running ncu - updating deps" ncu -u npm -i echo "=> Installing package.json" npm install if [[ -f ./node_modules/.bin/mocha ]]; then ./node_modules/.bin/mocha ./test.js -b fi if [[ -f ../node_modules/.bin/mocha ]]; then ../node_modules/.bin/mocha ./test.js -b fi # remove installed test instance echo "Cancel now if you wish to keep the app installed" sleep 10 cloudron uninstall --app test.$CLOUDRON_URL

@loudlemur said in Monkey See, Monkey Do: Cloudron Video Explainers: RTFM Let’s make RTFM stand for Read the Friendly Manual or better make a new acronym such as WTFV or WTT for Watch the Tuto. @privsec said in Monkey See, Monkey Do: Cloudron Video Explainers: How to properly setup/secure your server to a high level of protection For me, the highest level of protection is a server without access to the internet; then more realistically it is a server with access to the internet but where all the services are behind a VPN; such as OpenVPN, WireGuard, ...). With a server open to the world, you are at the mercy of the developers (the one who develop the application such as Nextcloud, WordPress, ...)

@loudlemur relax, it will sort itself out

@timconsidine Cloudron seems to be using a very similar marketing strategy already, though arguably not advertising it adequately: [image: QmcgxZFrhqUVXhBBfXyiZtBMvBBdv3ZyqS9vu3Rrf23oRL] Whilst on this topic, some hosts are a bit nervous about Cloudron's email capability, or perhaps they are just nervous in general about email. (I think they don't want mass-mailing, emailing of newsletters, etc.) Perhaps somebody could give us some guidance or suggestions related to this?

Thank you !

@scooke Thank you very much! Bookmarked

@girish said in Cloudron Licence: I have fixed the year in the license. As for the license itself, the platform code is not opensource or free software if that is what you are wondering. We contribute to opensource in other ways both financially and with development - https://www.cloudron.io/opensource.html . The license text is an adaptation of various other licenses like GitLab EE, Sourcegraph EE license etc. All our app packages are opensource. All the code is at https://git.cloudron.io/ I would like Cloudron to be released under a Free Licence. I am sure I am not alone in this. I feel uneasy about it being non-Free. It feels like the rug could be pulled out from underneath at any moment. It is not that I think that Cloudron might "turn evil", but that pressure could be brought to bear on the maintainers, and in that way infrastructure built on Cloudron could be cancelled. Is there any hope that Cloudron might be re-releaed under a Free licence?

@timconsidine Cloudron already have a YT channel. Here it is on an Invidio.us instance: https://invidious.snopyta.org/channel/UCOaWnVX6wqEI-IMdV9_s8_A Cloudron could one-click import that channel onto LBRY https://lbry.com/faq/youtube [image: QmVgFS1t4UoZ3BxewSCDHBFeEMw6Kd212Hz2jJaWmLX7m9]

@jdaviescoates said in Cloudron selfhosting platform: @nebulon if I were you I'd edit the post with the wrong links to put the correct links back in, or just delete the comment (and perhaps block the user too). And perhaps simply delete this thread, so we don't waste our time to finally getting nowhere loll Andy