@jdaviescoates said in Cheap server options: I use Hetzner Cloud VPS for my Cloudron server and I love it. I also love that they are 100% powered by renewable energy. Just for completeness (because someone just upvoted that post above) I should probably add that I'm now using Netcup for my primary Cloudron, mostly just because you get WAY more disk space (I had already upgraded my Hetzner Cloud VPS to the largest offer so the next step with Hetzner would've been a decidated server - probably end up there eventually - whereas I actually saved money and got more power and WAY more disk space by moving to Netcup (although the UX is terrible in comparison)

@LoudLemur Commento does work with Ghost. It's funny how the guide to a self hosted fee free substack / patreon site using Ghost builds on a paid theme and a paid commenting system that's all but fee free. Nice side step circle. @doodlemania2 @jdaviescoates As for Substack running on Ghost, NOPE, it's just them using Ghost compatible themes on top of Substack.

You can see what is installed in the base image here - https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/docker-base-image/ Many of the docs/tools like file manager, terminal etc rely on the base image. For example, tar/zip availability. Ultimately, the images are optimized for developer and support time and not disk size. If there is a problem in an app, you want your tools there to be able to debug quickly. The base image is shared across all apps and services (databases), so it's a one time cost. I remember the last time I used an alpine image, it didn't even have ping to debug. On a side note, you might see a little more docker image use right now because we are migrating all apps to a newer base image which is based on jammy - https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/8130/docker-base-image-4-0

@subven Thank you, Ill review these.

@girish said in Cloudron Licence: I have fixed the year in the license. As for the license itself, the platform code is not opensource or free software if that is what you are wondering. We contribute to opensource in other ways both financially and with development - https://www.cloudron.io/opensource.html . The license text is an adaptation of various other licenses like GitLab EE, Sourcegraph EE license etc. All our app packages are opensource. All the code is at https://git.cloudron.io/ I would like Cloudron to be released under a Free Licence. I am sure I am not alone in this. I feel uneasy about it being non-Free. It feels like the rug could be pulled out from underneath at any moment. It is not that I think that Cloudron might "turn evil", but that pressure could be brought to bear on the maintainers, and in that way infrastructure built on Cloudron could be cancelled. Is there any hope that Cloudron might be re-releaed under a Free licence?

Reflio looks like a good candidate to me: https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/7740/reflio-open-source-affiliate-platform-for-saas

I use vaultwarden for business related secrets or where customer data come into play. For my private stuff I still use Chrome sync but also want to switch to vaultwarden. What came to my mind: By January, a lot of people will (hopefully) switch from Chromium sourced browsers to Firefox because of the manifest v3 implementation. Because I don't want to trust Mozilla nor Google, I tinker with the thought to host my own FFsync (Firefox Sync) server to be more independend with my "cloud" hosted data. Had to think about the risks because hosting something like vaultwarden might be safe but I was unsure if FFsync gets the same care.

@LoudLemur Same could be asked for something like Lokinet. Overlay network support in general would be cool

Depends on your use case / what apps you want to provide for your users. For best practice, I avoid the "Visible to all users on this Cloudron" option and remove all assigned groups from a user before deactivating the account. In case of Nextcloud for example, Cloudron groups can be used within the app to give permissions to shares and features. Certain apps can also be configured to give every user that is able to log in a certain amount of permissions (like Nextcloud Auto Groups or specific role managment in Bookstack). I have a "base" group (like <orgname>) giving normal access to apps like Matrix/Element, Nextcloud and Bockstack. Below that I have a group "<orgname>-internal" that give access to more specific apps like Freescout or Kimai. To go even further you can do <orgname>-<department> but for most apps you have to specify user permissions in addition. However it is useful to limit app access by Cloudron groups so users don't end up in a spot where they don't have permissions or no role to fulfill.

@robi Just use https://postmaster.google.com/. register the mailserver domain there and I raised a support ticket with google. (do not ask me where I found the form form to do this. I googled for the error code and found it by accident :D)

@humptydumpty Windows no, my gaming windows only has password disk encryption but my linux has disk encryption 2fa support. Sorry can't share anything on windows

@girish Everything seems to be running fine as far as I can tell. If its any help to you, I can give you ssh access to troubleshoot. But I'm good on my end.

@timconsidine said in Cloudron vs Heimdall: @LoudLemur said in Cloudron vs Heimdall: Is there a good "How to" explaining how to run PHP applications (or similar) on the LAMP application? Because the range of applications that could be installed is large, I'm not sure it's easy to write a guide. But in overview : install a LAMP app from the AppStore as normal in the app dashboard (gear icon top right of app tile), use the File Manager to upload the files from the source app you want to add, probably into /app/data/public unpack if uploaded in zip formats FOLLOW APP_SPECIFIC INSTALL INSTRUCTIONS including to use File Manager (or possibly Terminal) to edit any config files re(start) the LAMP app once app is running, delete zip files uploaded Thanks, that doesn't look too much to try. Maybe we could create a thread/list of applications which have been tried on Cloudron's LAMP application and which ran well...

@jdaviescoates said in Server migration tips? Need same ubuntu version? Possible to do without downtime?: I guess I could try: add the ip of my old server to my /etc/hosts file on my laptop so I can access it again post DNS changes boot up my old server and run a backup Then try the restore email thing linked above by copying the relevant files from one server to the other (not sure how exactly I'd do that, I guess maybe with scp or something) But I wonder if another option would be to add the ip of my old server to my /etc/hosts file on my laptop so I can access it again post DNS changes boot up my old server and run a backup restore this new backup of the old server into the new server (although I guess this could now get messy - what would happen with emails that have since arrived on the new server). I'd recommend the first option there to avoid overriding any emails on the new server which aren't on the old server. The first steps would be good because then you'd get a backup again you can follow the steps from the docs at that point to restore emails, essentially merging with the new server afterwards. Definitely will be interested if @staff has any other recommendations though, will be good to know for future.

@LoudLemur this is not an easy feat on our side actually, so I would rather aim to wait for upstream to fix that issue instead of introducing lots of potential corner-cases in our stylesheets.

The db dumps are atomic (it's a feature of the databases). What's not atomic is if an app does not make database changes in a transaction. Or if it tracks state outside of the database. For example, if it writes some media file to filesystem and tracks something else in database. Outside of disk snapshots, there is no way to snapshot a database and filesystem at the moment in time. Disk snapshot of a database is not very portable and in most cases on cloud servers disk snapshots of specific paths are not an option. I used to worry about this a lot back in the day But hundreds of thousand of installation later, I can tell you that I have never hit this problem (the atomicity aspect).

@LoudLemur said in After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel. The oligopoly has won.: @necrevistonnezr said in After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel. The oligopoly has won.: @humptydumpty said in After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel. The oligopoly has won.: Well, I host Cloudron in my home office with dynamic IPs on a NUC. Outbound email gateway is my very privacy conscious mail provider mailbox.org. For a small family, that’s more than sufficient. This is the coolest way to run Cloudron, the way that, I think, could bring Cloudron to the masses. If you ever have time and the inclination and could create some sort of "how-to" video explaining how to solve the tricky parts of accomplishing your setup, I think that could be massive for Cloudron. @girish @nebulon what do you think? The cool thing: it’s all already building into cloudron! Dynamic IPs DNS (in the network settings) and support for email gateways. The only thing you have to do on your side is to report your current IP regularly to the domain provider. This happens via ddclient, most commercial routers have a similar function build-in.

@martinkbs Is it known what they use as their backend? Or something custom built perhaps.