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To know the backup scope, you can sum up all the apps listed there + email data + box data. Then you would have to multiple that by the number of backups which are stored (eg. once every day for 1 week or so) This would be the maximum of storage required using the tarball method. For rsync, it would be much less since it would do incremental backups.

Warning for Backblaze region selection! Especially if EU GDPR laws or just US privacy is a concern. If (like me) you have an account that's been open since before they added the EU-Central (Amsterdam) region - there's no way to set any other region than the one you selected (defaulted) when creating your account. The only way to have a different region with Backblaze is with separate accounts. Wasabi is my other alternative and costs less if you have a lot of ingress or are in the hundreds of Gigabytes bracket, and want region-selection in one account, but Backblaze is the cheapest and trusted option I know up to say half a terabyte. No harm in having an account with both though if you like having options. I like to keep backup object storage away from the main host, although if you were backing up hourly or something else bandwidth heavy then same provider attached storage is pretty safe and usually held in triplicate across hardware.

@girish yep. minio backend

@timmeh Your assessment is correct. If you switched the backups to rsync mode, you can remove the .tar.gz files. They are left overs from your previous backup. Maybe we can add an option to remove the old backup files (of previous configs). But of course, that will require cloudron to remember previous config as well. Also, to be 100% clear, only remove the .tar.gz files. Do not remove any other files in the snapshot directory. The snapshot directory is the "working directory" of the backup system and stores the previous state.

@dsp76 multi part copy is a different API call from multi part upload

@d19dotca That is strange, we will do a bit more testing here (I think atleast one thing to help us narrow this down is you use encrypted backups)

@girish Oh okay, thank you! My next question was going to be about deleting the snapshot folder, but it was already answered. I appreciate it!

I was unaware of the incremental feature in rsync. That will work for me, thank you!

good points, thanks, gonna switch to cifs then!

@njha The Cloudron version of minio is intended for hosting static file assets and not as a backup destination for Cloudron itself. If you want to backup Cloudron to minio, we recommend setting up a separate non-Cloudron server that just runs minio that proxies to b2.

Any plans to make this Cloudron-easy? https://docs.storj.io/api-reference/s3-gateway Otherwise, it looks like their integration partner Filebase puts a markup on that: https://filebase.com

We have wasabi support coming up in the next release.

https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/issues/654

@marcusquinn Great summary! I've similarly found that ingress transaction costs are more than my monthly storage costs with rsync option and tar zip backups keep timing out. @girish Thanks for adding the additional advanced backup configuration in 5.5! I've tried increasing it for my backups and am excited to see if it helps.

As a first attempt, you could try to restart the box process with systemctl restart box Also maybe look at the system logs, in case there are any hints for errors.

Can you check if the backup format is correct (i.e tgz or rsync) when you restore from the backups? The logs are in journalctl -u box -a.

@malvim said in Backup Improvements: Restic Backend: @necrevistonnezr how have you been testing backups? I have a raspberry pi at home, set up with restic/rclone backups as well. Once in a while I mount one of the latest snapshots and check a bit randomly if things "look ok". I'd like to have a better system to check if backups are okay, so any pointers would be appreciated. https://restic.readthedocs.io/en/latest/045_working_with_repos.html#checking-integrity-and-consistency and, as I said, spot checks for files with restic-browser.

Thank you @girish for the refund! Much, much appreciated!

@d19dotca Thanks for the write up, I will repurpose it for some our docs. Another user had actually informed us about this and it's been working reliably for them. So, we already had added OVH storage in the backups UI for the next release. [image: 1588704852591-357c53be-e4aa-4bcc-8cac-b8d7d543e388-image-resized.png]