@uiguy It's all opportunity-cost - just because we can, it doesn't mean we should if someone else has already done and there's a community with a vested interest in continuing to.
My team (not part of Cloudron, just fans and occasional contributors) are crack-commando developers, the last think I want them consumed with is dev-ops wheel reinventing when we have a world of wonder in evolving organisations based based on the apps themselves.
I can replace the clutch in my car, build furniture, clean my own house, do accounts and go to the shops to buy something - not really the best use of time nowadays though.
I've seen almost every alternative under the sun in this space, but where do you stop?
Many have said similar - no-one has yet shown any of us a faster way to achieve the same and repeatedly.
All open minds here - it's easy to throw technology names around, we all have search engines for that too - experience tells me claims & realities often differ.
If you want to live in dev-ops, then Terraform K8S with GitLab CI.
If you can do everything Cloudron will do faster, I'll personally pay for your licence for wasting your time.
Proof is in the pudding though, you either try something and learn or you don't.
No-one's here to convince anyone of anything, we just all have places to be, people to help, and value the time-saving, community for just getting on with minimum drama.
This ain't the corporate political brand name dropping world here - in fact I've found it to be a community of doers that don't wear or care for any brand names. We're here for a good time, not a promotion, pitch or long time. No-one's paid to help anyone, karma is the currency of a community greater than any one opinion, and I'm here to be enlightened, challenged and proven wrong to be right next time.
I once sat in a cafe, overhearing frustrated project managers for a bank talking about abandoning a £2m investment in an Azure & Dynamics setup because it was never ending and a constant turnover of "certified" junior developers.
They could have had it all done and moved on with something like Odoo - but hey, some people still say that no-one ever got fired for recommending Microsoft! Or did they?
