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  • My server vps stopped on Contabo two days ago !

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    nebulonN
    @saad-qasim ah this is a Cloudron forum, not related to generic server or contabo issues, we can probably not help you much then
  • Is Someone from the Cloudron Team Available to Discuss Security?

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    Thank you for the clarification, @girish . I have already reached out to security@cloudron.io and I’m currently awaiting a reply. I appreciate your assistance and look forward to hearing back soon. Best regards,
  • Hetzner PTR Record Invalid

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    d19dotcaD
    Confirmed, it seems to be much better now. Thank you so much for the quick turnaround on that! Great job! https://unspam.email/results/6edDuKodjB
  • Haraka Mailserver Logs show loopback_is_rejected errors

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    girishG
    https://github.com/haraka/haraka-plugin-dns-list/pull/11/commits should fix it
  • Certs won't renew - HELP

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    scookeS
    Who uses gd????
  • Changing domain related to my annual subscription

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    robiR
    @iamthemediagit it also might help to detail what steps you took to send those several emails and to what destination since they apparently were not received as intended.
  • Subscription needed to update two apps?

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    nebulonN
    @superhua can you send a mail to support@cloudron.io with your Cloudron details?
  • AAAA dns error – how to solve?

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    jdaviescoatesJ
    Recently when I was installing a new Cloudron and using Wildcards it was stuck on waiting for dns propagation until I created both A and AAAA entries
  • Exec/debug - Is it possible to use a shell other than bash?

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    SansGuidonS
    Thanks for the explanation.
  • Temporary backup folder

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    nebulonN
    This is currently not possible and not really planned either so far. Maybe you can use the mountpoint backup location on your system as storing backups on the main disk isn't a good idea in the long run anyways https://docs.cloudron.io/backups/#filesystem-mountpoint
  • Tika errors in Mail indexing

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    d19dotcaD
    Another example here too (a much longer one): Dec 22 23:24:14 WARN [qtp24334184-588] 07:24:14,205 org.apache.tika.server.core.resource.TikaResource tika/: Text extraction failed (=?utf-8?B?Tm8gMjEgeGlhb3FpbmcgemhhbmcuZG9jeA==?=) Dec 22 23:24:14 org.apache.tika.exception.TikaException: TIKA-198: Illegal IOException from org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser@6166fb02 Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.CompositeParser.parse(CompositeParser.java:304) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.CompositeParser.parse(CompositeParser.java:298) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.AutoDetectParser.parse(AutoDetectParser.java:204) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.server.core.resource.TikaResource.parse(TikaResource.java:363) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.server.core.resource.TikaResource.lambda$produceText$1(TikaResource.java:509) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.cxf.jaxrs.provider.BinaryDataProvider.writeTo(BinaryDataProvider.java:176) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.cxf.jaxrs.utils.JAXRSUtils.writeMessageBody(JAXRSUtils.java:1651) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.cxf.jaxrs.interceptor.JAXRSOutInterceptor.serializeMessage(JAXRSOutInterceptor.java:249) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.cxf.jaxrs.interceptor.JAXRSOutInterceptor.processResponse(JAXRSOutInterceptor.java:122) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.cxf.jaxrs.interceptor.JAXRSOutInterceptor.handleMessage(JAXRSOutInterceptor.java:84) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.cxf.phase.PhaseInterceptorChain.doIntercept(PhaseInterceptorChain.java:307) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.cxf.interceptor.OutgoingChainInterceptor.handleMessage(OutgoingChainInterceptor.java:90) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.cxf.phase.PhaseInterceptorChain.doIntercept(PhaseInterceptorChain.java:307) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.cxf.transport.ChainInitiationObserver.onMessage(ChainInitiationObserver.java:121) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.cxf.transport.http.AbstractHTTPDestination.invoke(AbstractHTTPDestination.java:265) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.cxf.transport.http_jetty.JettyHTTPDestination.doService(JettyHTTPDestination.java:244) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.cxf.transport.http_jetty.JettyHTTPHandler.handle(JettyHTTPHandler.java:80) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.HandlerWrapper.handle(HandlerWrapper.java:122) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ScopedHandler.nextHandle(ScopedHandler.java:223) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandler.doHandle(ContextHandler.java:1381) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ScopedHandler.nextScope(ScopedHandler.java:178) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandler.doScope(ContextHandler.java:1303) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ScopedHandler.handle(ScopedHandler.java:129) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandlerCollection.handle(ContextHandlerCollection.java:149) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.HandlerWrapper.handle(HandlerWrapper.java:122) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.server.Server.handle(Server.java:563) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpChannel$RequestDispatchable.dispatch(HttpChannel.java:1598) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpChannel.dispatch(HttpChannel.java:753) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpChannel.handle(HttpChannel.java:501) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpConnection.onFillable(HttpConnection.java:287) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.io.AbstractConnection$ReadCallback.succeeded(AbstractConnection.java:314) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.io.FillInterest.fillable(FillInterest.java:100) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.io.SelectableChannelEndPoint$1.run(SelectableChannelEndPoint.java:53) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.strategy.AdaptiveExecutionStrategy.runTask(AdaptiveExecutionStrategy.java:421) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.strategy.AdaptiveExecutionStrategy.consumeTask(AdaptiveExecutionStrategy.java:390) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.strategy.AdaptiveExecutionStrategy.tryProduce(AdaptiveExecutionStrategy.java:277) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.strategy.AdaptiveExecutionStrategy.run(AdaptiveExecutionStrategy.java:199) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.ReservedThreadExecutor$ReservedThread.run(ReservedThreadExecutor.java:411) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.QueuedThreadPool.runJob(QueuedThreadPool.java:969) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.QueuedThreadPool$Runner.doRunJob(QueuedThreadPool.java:1194) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.QueuedThreadPool$Runner.run(QueuedThreadPool.java:1149) [tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:840) [?:?] Dec 22 23:24:14 Caused by: org.apache.commons.io.TaggedIOException: invalid code lengths set Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.io.input.TaggedInputStream.handleIOException(TaggedInputStream.java:93) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.io.input.ProxyInputStream.read(ProxyInputStream.java:228) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.gagravarr.tika.OggDetector.detect(OggDetector.java:68) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.detect.CompositeDetector.detect(CompositeDetector.java:84) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.AutoDetectParser.parse(AutoDetectParser.java:179) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.DelegatingParser.parse(DelegatingParser.java:71) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.extractor.ParsingEmbeddedDocumentExtractor.parseEmbedded(ParsingEmbeddedDocumentExtractor.java:111) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser.parseEntry(PackageParser.java:481) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser.parseEntries(PackageParser.java:386) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser._parse(PackageParser.java:336) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser.parse(PackageParser.java:259) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.CompositeParser.parse(CompositeParser.java:298) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 ... 41 more Dec 22 23:24:14 Caused by: org.apache.commons.io.TaggedIOException: invalid code lengths set Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.io.input.TaggedInputStream.handleIOException(TaggedInputStream.java:93) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.io.input.ProxyInputStream.read(ProxyInputStream.java:228) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.io.input.ProxyInputStream.read(ProxyInputStream.java:224) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.io.input.ProxyInputStream.read(ProxyInputStream.java:224) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.gagravarr.tika.OggDetector.detect(OggDetector.java:68) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.detect.CompositeDetector.detect(CompositeDetector.java:84) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.AutoDetectParser.parse(AutoDetectParser.java:179) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.DelegatingParser.parse(DelegatingParser.java:71) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.extractor.ParsingEmbeddedDocumentExtractor.parseEmbedded(ParsingEmbeddedDocumentExtractor.java:111) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser.parseEntry(PackageParser.java:481) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser.parseEntries(PackageParser.java:386) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser._parse(PackageParser.java:336) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser.parse(PackageParser.java:259) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.CompositeParser.parse(CompositeParser.java:298) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 ... 41 more Dec 22 23:24:14 Caused by: java.util.zip.ZipException: invalid code lengths set Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.compress.archivers.zip.ZipArchiveInputStream.readFromInflater(ZipArchiveInputStream.java:1083) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.compress.archivers.zip.ZipArchiveInputStream.readDeflated(ZipArchiveInputStream.java:998) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.compress.archivers.zip.ZipArchiveInputStream.read(ZipArchiveInputStream.java:929) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at java.base/java.io.BufferedInputStream.fill(BufferedInputStream.java:244) ~[?:?] Dec 22 23:24:14 at java.base/java.io.BufferedInputStream.read(BufferedInputStream.java:263) ~[?:?] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.io.input.ProxyInputStream.read(ProxyInputStream.java:224) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.io.input.ProxyInputStream.read(ProxyInputStream.java:224) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.io.input.ProxyInputStream.read(ProxyInputStream.java:224) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.gagravarr.tika.OggDetector.detect(OggDetector.java:68) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.detect.CompositeDetector.detect(CompositeDetector.java:84) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.AutoDetectParser.parse(AutoDetectParser.java:179) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.DelegatingParser.parse(DelegatingParser.java:71) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.extractor.ParsingEmbeddedDocumentExtractor.parseEmbedded(ParsingEmbeddedDocumentExtractor.java:111) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser.parseEntry(PackageParser.java:481) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser.parseEntries(PackageParser.java:386) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser._parse(PackageParser.java:336) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser.parse(PackageParser.java:259) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.CompositeParser.parse(CompositeParser.java:298) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 ... 41 more Dec 22 23:24:14 Caused by: java.util.zip.DataFormatException: invalid code lengths set Dec 22 23:24:14 at java.base/java.util.zip.Inflater.inflateBytesBytes(Native Method) ~[?:?] Dec 22 23:24:14 at java.base/java.util.zip.Inflater.inflate(Inflater.java:378) ~[?:?] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.compress.archivers.zip.ZipArchiveInputStream.readFromInflater(ZipArchiveInputStream.java:1081) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.compress.archivers.zip.ZipArchiveInputStream.readDeflated(ZipArchiveInputStream.java:998) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.compress.archivers.zip.ZipArchiveInputStream.read(ZipArchiveInputStream.java:929) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at java.base/java.io.BufferedInputStream.fill(BufferedInputStream.java:244) ~[?:?] Dec 22 23:24:14 at java.base/java.io.BufferedInputStream.read(BufferedInputStream.java:263) ~[?:?] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.io.input.ProxyInputStream.read(ProxyInputStream.java:224) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.io.input.ProxyInputStream.read(ProxyInputStream.java:224) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.commons.io.input.ProxyInputStream.read(ProxyInputStream.java:224) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.gagravarr.tika.OggDetector.detect(OggDetector.java:68) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.detect.CompositeDetector.detect(CompositeDetector.java:84) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.AutoDetectParser.parse(AutoDetectParser.java:179) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.DelegatingParser.parse(DelegatingParser.java:71) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.extractor.ParsingEmbeddedDocumentExtractor.parseEmbedded(ParsingEmbeddedDocumentExtractor.java:111) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser.parseEntry(PackageParser.java:481) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser.parseEntries(PackageParser.java:386) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser._parse(PackageParser.java:336) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.pkg.PackageParser.parse(PackageParser.java:259) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 at org.apache.tika.parser.CompositeParser.parse(CompositeParser.java:298) ~[tika-server-standard.jar:3.0.0] Dec 22 23:24:14 ... 41 more Dec 22 23:24:14 Dec 23, 2024 7:24:14 AM org.apache.cxf.jaxrs.utils.JAXRSUtils logMessageHandlerProblem Dec 22 23:24:14 SEVERE: Problem with writing the data, class org.apache.tika.server.core.resource.TikaResource$$Lambda$391/0x00007f41fc2ac740, ContentType: text/plain
  • 2 Votes
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    d19dotcaD
    That's great, thanks @girish! It seems to work now. I enabled it and followed the steps in the new documentation you linked to, and then ran doveadm -c /run/dovecot.conf index -A '*' from the mail container which started indexing everything. Just waiting for the indexing to finish to confirm it'll be good.
  • Backup cleanup task starts but do not finish the job

    Solved backups cleanup-backups
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    T
    I would say lets close this here. I do not see any failed cleanup jobs even multiple jobs try todo the same.
  • Minor UI issue with backup file long names

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  • Volumes: red dot but mounted

    Solved volumes sshfs
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    @nebulon Not so clear. The volume disconnected again. The "Remount Volume" button did not help but "Edit Volume" and saving (unchanged settings) worked.
  • Send E-Mail with Alias since Cloudron Update to 8.2.1 broken

    Solved email aliases
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    KubernetesK
    Omg, for whatever reason the TLD did change from .de to .com (I have .de but not .com) so the failure was totally correct. No problems, nothing to see here, please close the case Happy holidays!
  • Mounting error for restore during server migration

    Solved digitalocean restore
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    Thank you for this. I ended up creating a DO Spaces bucket, putting the backup there, and then restoring from that. To make it work, I had to use the Dry Run option and then manually sync the DNS. But now it is working. I wish that Hostinger had something akin to DO Spaces, but it doesn't, so I am still trying to figure out my strategy for offsite backups. Thanks @nebulon for your help!
  • User is not an operator

    Solved userinterface
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    girishG
    Fixed now . https://git.cloudron.io/platform/box/-/commit/17fee930027896c405e8bbe3fbe56204c18c2670 . Thanks for reporting
  • Site refusing to connect

    Solved troubleshooting
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    @berryd great you sorted it out!
  • Domain cert renewal - when ?

    Solved certificates renewal
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    scookeS
    @timconsidine said in Domain cert renewal - when ?: I don’t even remember my own name. Your name is Timcon S'idine, just in case.